Is Peanut a Player Who Hasn't "Bought In"?..............

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    Is Charles Tillman buying into the Chicago Bears' new regime at Halas Hall?
    By Spongie on Jun 30 2014, 11:19a 35
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    Lance Briggs seems to have made his peace with the changes at Halas Hall, but has Charles Tillman?

    Cast your mind back to late July 2013, early in training camp, when Jay Cutler acknowledged that ‘‘not everybody’’ had bought in to Trestman. CBSChicago reporter Adam Hoge made the observation that:

    "...while no one on the defense will admit it, it’s pretty obvious that the players who have not bought in are living on that side of the football."
    The best cure for what may ail a locker room? Winning. Unfortunately it didn't happen as often as we would have liked, and that same side of the football was - for reasons that were not entirely their fault - largely responsible for the team's failure to make the playoffs. Still, an upgrade in talent was needed, and made.

    Brian Urlacher piped up after the end of the season with the claim that the Bears - by which he meant Phil Emery - were trying to purge Lovie Smith's players. It's certainly true that the likes of Henry Melton, Corey Wootton, Major Wright, Julius Peppers, Israel Idonije, Devin Hester, Nick Roach, and Urlacher himself are no longer on the team. Then again, neither are J'Marcus Webb, Gabe Carimi, the original and still the best Chris Williams, or Kellen Davis. Phil did sign Tim Jennings to a four-year extension, and brought back Charles Tillman on a one-year deal after letting him test the market.

    Something that was lost in the hubbub of coverage during the recent Chicago Bears veteran minicamp was a question that former Bears wide receiver turned sports radio host Tom Waddle brought up with ESPN Bears beat reporter Jeff Dickerson, an hour into this podcast of the Waddle & Silvy Show from June 18th:

    Is Peanut Tillman buying into the new regime at Halas Hall?

    Waddle was talking about Tillman's interview at his charity bowling event, which you can watch here.

    "If I would have gone to another team it probably would have been Tampa, so... it was just, I dunno, it just didn't work out the way any of us planned or... so I'm back in Chicago - but that's not a bad thing either, it's still a good place. It's still a good place to be, here."
    If you watch it, you'll see what Waddle means when he says it's not exactly what you'd want to hear if you were in the Bears' front office. As Waddle put it, "It sounded like not only did he think it was going to happen in Tampa, but that's where he wanted to be," and mentioned the questions last year as to whether the Bears firing Lovie Smith may have left a bad taste in Tillman's mouth. Lip service or not, it's certainly not what you would expect if a veteran is meshing with a new coaching staff, unlike Lance Briggs' support of Mel Tucker staying on as defensive coordinator.

    Does it matter? Once it's time to play, probably not. As Jeff Dickerson put it, "Tillman is a Sunday player" ...there's no question that he'll produce to the best of his ability, and the veteran cornerback is as thoughtful, well-spoken, and classy a guy as you'll find on or off the field of play. Nor is there any reason to think that's going to change.

    However, as one of the two remaining core veterans from the previous regime on the defensive side of the team - Stephen Paea, Chris Conte, and Shea McClellin combined barely have the experience of one of them - it would be nice to think he could be Lance Briggs' lieutenant, rather than a veteran playing out a one-year contract because he didn't get an offer from another team that he wanted to jump ship to.

    Professional sport is a business that leaves little room for sentimentality but - if this is to be his final year as a Bear, if not in the league - Tillman, the Bears, and the fans surely hope for a better end than that?
     
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    I'm not sure this was an article even worth writing if for no other reason this.

    Does it matter? Once it's time to play, probably not. As Jeff Dickerson put it, "Tillman is a Sunday player" ...there's no question that he'll produce to the best of his ability, and the veteran cornerback is as thoughtful, well-spoken, and classy a guy as you'll find on or off the field of play. Nor is there any reason to think that's going to change.

    I was under the impression most of the spring that Peanut would be playing for Lovie's at TB this year. It was far more of a surprise to me that he returned than it would have been his leaving to go to Florida.

    But Peanut is also a consummate pro and he has said that regardless of how his career goes from this point forward that he will retire as a Chicago Bear. He should retire as a Bear and until then I expect he'll be giving 110% ever game like he always does. I'm not worried about Charles Tillman.
     
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    A lot of the defensive players were not happy with the departure of Lovie. In fact I'm not sure any were. I wouldn't blame Peanut if he were the most upset (after Urlacher). Tillman's career might have been as great as it is because of Lovie's teachings.

    I hope that (if he hasn't already) that he is now fully commited and has bought in now.
     
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    This speaks a bit to the possibility of the polarization between the defensive players and the offensive players that's long been a part of the Bears culture and team dynamic. It was here before Lovie and I doubt Lovie did much to eliminate it or even contain it. After all, the defense was him and his guy and the offense was always someone else's issue.

    I can imagine that following a 10-6 season where they saw the offense as being who had let the team down again that the defensive stars weren't at all happy with Lovie's departure. That would be pretty natural but they still didn't see that it was Lovie's legendary laissez-faires attitude about the offense that got him canned.

    It really come down to a matter of trust and my guess is those who the team (Trestman and Emery) didn't trust to support the new regime 100% are now gone and those who do support it are still with us. They obviously trust Peanut and so do I.

    Trestman seems far wiser and isn't about to let that type of separatism exists on his team.
     
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    Either buy in or hit the bricks....no matter who you are....that's my feeling.
     
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    I thought his comments were peculiar when the original article was published. It's too bad that he feels that way. We ponied up and paid him his price. There was no bidding war for him, so he should have some sense of duty for the team. So, I don't expect him to pull a 'Peppers' this year. But if he does or if he is a cancer in the locker room boot him. We don't need that type of help.
     
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    I'm not gonna hold his loyalty to Lovie against him. It's an admirable trait that he should feel that way but he's also very loyal to the Bears organization too. A few comments like those aren't about to change my opinion of him and I have no doubts about his willingness to put it all on the line again this year. That's just him.
     
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    Peanut is a total pro both on and off the field-PERIOD. The whole "buys into the system" is a bit nebulous, what is it's meaning in this example?

    -He doesn't believe in Tucker or his system
    -He is put in bad situations or matchups where is skill is mitigated
    -The supporting cast isn't up to par
    -Any and all of the above

    Look, if Tucker can't utilize a player who is the record holder for combined INT's/FF's and maximize his strengths then anyone with a brain wouldn't exactly "buy in". Doesn't mean lack of effort, one can BELIEVE in something but if it is wanting then no amount of "buy in" is going to fix it.
     
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    Well said. Look people are speculating on the way he's talking? Don't you think fans are being a bit microscopic?

    He's getting older, he knows he can't play for another 5 years, so why sign him for 5 more years? Shit look at how many players sign for years you KNOW they can't play?

    This article is total bullshit, and the writer even leads you to speculate that Tillman is some sort of quiter or gurdge holder. When the writer tells you that Tillman is a Sunday player and will bring his game, tells me he understands Tillman. So why write/report about this crap?

    Here is what fans don't always see. Tillman plays special teams. Look at Hester's returns. You will see Tillman in MOST of them down the field blocking. No shit, go youtube some, and you'll see #33 running down the field with Hester.

    Also, who has been our #1 CB for the last 10 years? Who's gone man on Randy Moss, Steve Smith, (you name it). We have asked Tillman to take the #1 WR every week. Does anyone know how much that is to ask?

    Yeah, Tillman wasn't always covering a guy, but no CB can. Thats where the safety came in. Well, you know how we are with Safeties.

    Remember the success Tillman had with Mike Brown?

    Bottom line, Tillman is loyal to Lovie Smith, but don't call him Julius Peppers until he plays like Julius Peppers!


    Lastly, how many players do we see in the league that don't look "commited" to their system, coach or team? Do they give 110%? Honestly this isn't uncommon, IF it's true with Tillman, which we will never know.

    So stop reading the headlines, follow the player and see for yourself.
     
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    First off, I expect Tillman to play to his ability. He is getting older, so he may not be pro-bowl material anymore. That is fine, he is still a great football player and I expect big contributer this year.
    It is not only the headlines but his own words. He expected to be in Tampa but "it just didn't work out the way any of us planned...so I am back in Chicago." The full quote is in the article above. That is not a resounding, it's great to be back and this is just the way I wanted it to unfold. The guy is a pro and knows that whatever he says will be printed. As a fan, it sounds like we are his second choice.
     

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