June 1 Cuts, today is the day

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  1. riczaj01

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    Good, as long as guys like David and Soul disagree w/me I pretty sure I'm on the correct path.

    Kinda like that Movie Let it Ride w/Richard Dreyfuss, he goes around to all he dead beat buddies and the rest of the morons and bets opposite of them, and goes on a huge winning streak.

    classic movie w/a great philosphy....and of course a young Jennifer Tilly what might have been the shortest/tighest dress not worn in a porno.

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    Yeah but David also believes the sun comes up in the West and that the US Government is run by aliens so disbelieving whatever David believes in is probably better for anyone wishing to maintain a healthy state of mind.

    And with Ric as far as judging NFL QBs go if we'd listened to him a year ago we'd have cut McCown and asked Henry Burris to comeback as our #2. I'm always amazed by how guys with no NFL skills at all can get these huge multimillion dollar deals. TB really got taken on that signing. LOL
     
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    To be quite fair general thought was McCown wasn't enough. There were very few people pleading his case. I loved McCown and thought he was smart enough to be a game manager for us and not lose games and therefore was quite fine with him back there. But I don't hold it against anyone who wasn't on board, the majority of people weren't and they had pretty solid reasons to be doubtful.
     
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    McCown had the 1/2 season of his life under Trestman surrounded by pro bowl level talent(Marhal/Jeffery/Forte/Bushrod/Long). Way to take advantage of a good situation, but there was little to nothing that screamed good signing for a guy that was out of the league twice and had a career of more TO's then TD's.

    I'm gonna love seeing how he can play in TB; at least they surrounded him w/some rookie talent.
     
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    People seem to forget the game where he had multiple gimme picks dropped by the defense. Not to take too much away from him but I don't see him excelling by any means in TB. Game film on the guy and a full season, he'll be pedestrian. He's a good fill-in but I sure as hell wouldn't want him as our full time starter. I think the Bucs did good by drafting Evans and that TE but they're both rookies and I'd be shocked if they came close to sniffing what Jeffery and Bennett bring to the table, at least in year 1.

    Any clue what TB's OL looks like?
     
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    But doesn't it all come down to do you trust the judgement of the HC the GM AND that guy whose starting at QB or not? All three of them were on board with McCown because they felt he could do the job and they sure as hell have more inside info to go on than any fan or sportswriter does.

    Maybe my annoyance comes from those who are all too willing to be led around like sheep based on the writings of a few who may not even believe what they're writing themselves but they get paid to get read so if being contrarian gets it done than that's what they'll do. At least most of that crap about Cutler has died down now because far too many of his teammates have come out in support of him.

    One of the bigger fallacies about McCown that was pushed around was that he didn't have an NFL caliber arm. If it didn't end before that based on his accuracy then I'd guess that 55 yard rainbow he threw to Jeffery for a TD should have settled that debate. Or the 35 yard one he threw flat footed to Marshall in the Packer game with guys hanging on him before he threw. Cutler couldn't have thrown either of those any better and no one ever questions his arm.

    And there's a huge difference between having some degree of doubt and declaring that McCown was worthless and had no place even playing in the NFL. That's the kind of unfounded statements that were expressed that I'm talking about Chi. Not the health skepticism many of us had. Hell even the Bears were skeptics to a certain degree because they tried Campbell first before giving McCown his shot.

    Later last year when it was being debated whether or not to re-sign Cutler there as a contingent who believed we should just let Cutler walk, sign McCown for another two years and take a QB with out top pick because this QB class was soooooooo strong. Imagine that. Let a 30 year old QB with an arm like Cutler's and who we paid a pretty price to trade for just walk in FA getting nothing for him. It's a damn good thing we didn't follow that path or we'd be lucky to win 4 games this year.

    So in roughly 6 months McCown went from being a garbage QB not fit for even a backup role to being touted as the guy we should turn the team over to for the next year or two while we coached up Teddy Bridgewater or Johnny Manziel. Hell we drafted a kid in round six who at this same time last year was mentioned as one of those potential first round picks we could make. Some days the lack of logic and common sense among fans shocks me and so it was with McCown who was about all we could afford last year anyway.

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    Well with ric blocked I'm sure you can't see his posts but he's stated in other threads that rather than trusting so-and-so on the team he trusts GM/Coach who put him there and anyone who the coaches trust in get the benefit of the doubt. I think the majority of Bears fans have been skeptical at one point or another about Trest and Emery. Speaking for myself I hopped on board quite early, both have my faith until they prove otherwise, but people who boarded the train later don't deserve coach seats just for that.. Bears fans sit 1st class on this Emery express. Okay, enough lame analogies, my point is I wouldn't* put ric in the group of those who believe whatever someone says and hate on players with a narrow-minded view. I've seen several posts where he said if Emery and/or Trest backs them then give em a shot, they've earned that. I wasn't really around for the McCown debates so I can't speak for what he said then, but I feel like he was not alone in disliking McCown at QB if Cutty goes down, I definitely felt in the minority for supporting the guy.

    But seems like we're arguing the same point here, I think Emery and Trest have earned the right to be cut some slack. If Emery makes a move, I'm gonna let it play out before I judge. He's done more in these few short years than I thought anyone could with what JA left us. He's a marvel, truly.
     
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    Surely not over Cutler but when Cutler wasn't available he stepped up and did the job. Thirteen TDs vs 1 pick and a 109 passer rating? Even if he'd have been picked two or three more times he'd have still done a great job for a backup. Good enough that a whole lot of Bears fans thought we should keep him over Cutler. Sheesh!

    TB doesn't have a Jay Cutler so McCown is in a perfect place to finish out his days as a starter until they get one who can outplay him and that $10 mil contract was well deserved. I don't think anyone expects him to do quite as well as he did here but then again no one expected him to do that well here either. Least of all me.

    What this really does is expose the state of starting QBs in the NFL. The bar seems to have been lowered dramatically when a 36 year old journeyman can come in and win himself a $10 mil deal off of just a handful of great games vs 40 or 50 pretty bad ones. Some can criticize Cutler for his shortcomings all they like but IMHO in this era he's still a top ten QB even if in another era he wouldn't have been.

    Where are all the good QBs coming out of college these days? Do we have to wait for once in every five years for an Andrew Luck to show up mixed in with the rest of the Christian Ponders and Colt McCoys? That's why experienced vets like McCown can still get the deals they get.
     
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    Oh I'm very well aware of the state of NFL QB's, before Cutler I remember looking around being like "Damn, where in the hell can we get one of these?" but it was obvious the Bears weren't alone in QB woes. The market is what the market is, and you gotta pay for a QB who can start, even as a stop-gap option. You end up with the Kyle Orton's of the world while you bide your time hoping a bad season coincides with a draft where someone like Luck and his contemporaries are available. Once you get that QB I think it's beyond question that finding someone to groom behind him is paramount for any GM worth his salt. In theory you should have someone ready to step in for when your guy hangs em up, and for once, I feel confident the Bears will do that. I think when Cutler leaves we'll have a QB ready behind him who Trest hand picked and has been working on. There's always a QB or two who has all the tools but isn't polished enough to go early, and one of these upcoming drafts we'll grab ours.. I hope at least.
     
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    Last year and this year are lightyears different, Trestman garned, deservedly so, a TON of rope and time w/how last year went down. Ya McCown had a very lucky season, he did throw some real ducks. And honestly I thought TB had a decent QB in Glennon, and considering the lack of talent around him thought he did pretty well; for Lovie to just hand the job to McCown was a huge mistake. Should have made him earn that spot, and I have questions as to his ability to have won it outright in open competition once they got that WR/TE combo.
     
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