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    Jimmors The Rhymenoceros SuperFan

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    He won't demand a trade, and the Bears will not give him one. He is signed through 2015. So if he refuses to play, then all he can do is refuse to play. The Bears still own his contract if/when he returns. And as Emery has shown with Lach, he will not bend to the will of the players, no matter how important/good he is.
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    Jimmors The Rhymenoceros SuperFan

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    Not the 12M/yr that Ric is quoting.

    Even if you take Future Hall of Famer MVP Multiple SB winning Joe Flacco's Contract, 120M/6 Years, only 52M (8.6M/yr) is guaranteed, and even then, if you look at the details, it is heavily backloaded on the last 3 years of his contract (18M BASE salary in 2016, and 20M Base after that? No way he is getting that).
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    If anyone thinks, regardless of this inj, Cutler would take less then 12-14 mil a year they are sorely mistaken.
    Flacco over the next 2 years:
    2013 1,000,000 5,800,000 - 6,800,000 29,000,000
    2014 6,000,000 5,800,000 3,000,000 14,800,000 38,200,000
    2015 4,000,000 5,800,000 4,750,000 14,550,000 36,400,000

    Romo over the next 2 years
    2013 1,500,000 5,000,000 5,318,833 11,818,833 53,499,833
    2014 13,500,000 5,000,000 3,273,000 21,773,000 41,681,000
    2015 17,000,000 5,000,000 3,273,000 25,273,000 19,908,000

    Romo's 11.8 is more along the lines of what you can expect Cutler to be near, but the Jags or Az or Minny(if Freeman doesn't work out) or Cleve or Cincy or TB or Hou would all glady outprice the Bears in FA and Cutler knows it.
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    Jimmors The Rhymenoceros SuperFan

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    You are bringing up two different points. Yes, an overall contract for Jay in the 12-14M range isnt out of the question. But, like Romo and Flacco...those numbers are not GUARANTEED numbers, whereas the entire FT cost IS a Guaranteed number.

    Even Peyton's contract, 96/5 Years, he "only" has $58M guaranteed the first 3 years, or 19.33M/yr guaranteed. You honestly think Jay is worth a couple of million less than Peyton Manning? Thats the problem with Franchising a QB, their guaranteed number is the full amount, and puts them on par with guys like Manning or Brees. Which is great, if you are FT'ing Manning or Brees, not so much for guys like Jay, Romo or Flacco.

    In any case, i still believe there is a possibility Jay might take less than that 12-14M for his contract to stay here.
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    Ya but it's only guaranteed for 1 year, and honestly I'm only worried about the Cap hit, which is the what we are talking about. The cap hits are 11-14 mil for Flacco/Romo the next 2-3 years. I don't care about the guarnatee, I care about the cap, but that is what is going to prevent the team from signing other players.
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    Jimmors The Rhymenoceros SuperFan

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    In a normal season, i would agree...we could stomach the FT. But this season is different, because we have so many contracts up in the air, i just cant see a smart business man like Emery (again...using his handling of the Lach contract as a basis for my opinion on this), i cant see him toss 14-16M to Jay, and end up trying to dig for scraps to fill roster spots of other FAs we lost because we couldnt re-sign them.
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    Well 36-38 mil is hardly scraps, but again I don't think you'll get less then 14-16 mil by giving him a contract.

    Now if you think they'll just move on, well it's possible. All I'm saying is the FT isn't as cost prohibitive as the standard QB contract now, and it's only 1 year instead of 3-4.

    Either way, whatever Emery does, i'll trust it was best for the team.
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    Jimmors The Rhymenoceros SuperFan

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    Everything will depend on the rest of the season, and how McCown and Jay end up playing.

    Josh may not be the long term solution, but he could play well enough to become starter next season when they draft a rookie QB this year that IS going to be a long term solution.

    Or perhaps Jay bounces back and plays phenomenal in the rest of the games, and gets a huge contract.

    Impossible to say right now...too many unanswered questions.
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    I just hope that Jay comes back this year
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    I agree, the rest of the year is going to play a huge role.

    I think you've seen the best of McCown though, history is not his friend in this matter. If he does continue to play that way, then Trestman is 1,000,000x more then any of us could have hoped or dreamed and there is no reason to keep cutler at the kind of money he'll demand.

    I'll tell you right now, if we have a "young qb" next season, they will be starting. There is enough recent history to say that this rookie qb's are as nfl ready as ever; and they are a ton cheaper.

    if that does happen, I hope they keep McCown around though b/c that's the one time I want a vet qb, when you have a rookie starter.
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    B. Marsh is under contract until '14 right? I doubt they tag Cutler. He will get paid or will get released and dumped into the free market. I am not a fan of Jay but I hate to see him go, chances are slim to none that the Bears won't be downgraded short term. The only bright spot is that I think we might have seen the best of Jay and have a good idea of what to expect under Trestman.

    Brandon seems nice and reformed since he's been here but I think he would be toxic to have hanging around unhappy. All I can say is I'm glad Jeffery doesn't look half bad. He was likely the future going forward in '15 anyways.

    Edit: I see that Marshall was under contract through '15 according to this thread. Dang, two years of B. Marsh is hard to replace... He better not check out if Cutler moves on.
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    according to this, he is a UFA after 2014
    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/brandon-marshall/
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    Damn it took me forever to find which thread we were discussing this in.

    But yeah...offering my apologies. I have been thinking about it, and im pretty sure that they will tag Cutler this offseason.

    I still think that Emery believes in Cutler, and wants to see what he can do, wants him as our Franchise QB for the next few years. Cutler won't have many games left this season to prove his worth (everyone and their grandma wanted to see how Jay would perform against GB, in GB), so Emery is definitely NOT giving him a huge contract extension this off-season, but im pretty sure he wants him back in 2014 to prove his worth.

    I also believe that Emery is going to use the draft to try and find another QB. So, franchising Jay makes sense...it guarantees that our drafted QB will have at least a year to learn from Jay, and then in 2015 Emery can decide which way he wants to go...either giving Jay a huge 4 year deal ( i dont see a 32 year old QB getting more than 4), or letting Jay walk and letting our next QB take over the reigns. In either case, FT will be a smart move while Emery figures out which direction to go in. I guess i just got caught up in the numbers, and couldnt see it working out.

    But, i was wrong, and you are probably right...Emery will most likely Tag Jay this year.
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    The only way Jay would get a big LT deal from Emery was if he had a really solid year (which he was on pace for), stayed healthy (which hasn't happened), and iced the cake by winning a playoff game (which won't happen because we won't make the postseason). Emery isn't Jerry Jones and Cutler isn't Joe Flacco (in terms of carrying a team thru the playoffs and winning the SB). I think the talk about a "hometown discount" is overrated. When push comes to shove, players and agents want the big $$$ and sentiment tends to fall by the wayside. The HD generally ends up being small, if it happens at all.

    If Cutler flops upon his return, I predict they will move on and spend the cash on FAs for the D (drafting a QB high obviously). If he plays well, as I expect he will, then I predict Emery will FT him to delay the final decision a year while Trestman sees what he do with a draftee QB from the say the 3rd round. I really hope the latter scenario plays out because I'd like to see what Jay could do in the offense in a second year. Peppers is gonna be gone so that gives you 2/3rds of the $15m FT right there.
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    ya and it sucks. I was saying to JABF that I really wanted this to be an obvious sign him or let him walk year for Emery and Tresticles, and this so far hasn't been, although it was leaning that way, and the inj just f'd it all to hell.
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    Yes, including the chance to see if Jay could exorcise his demons against Green Bay on the road. That's gone too. Very frustrating because starting 3-0 it looked like the year where we'd be highly competitive with GB one on one and make the playoffs for a real test. But key injuries and the defense's total overall suckitude have jacked everything up despite Forte, Alshon, and MartyB making the offense more than "just Marshall" as we all hoped. So pissed...
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    Just like I said months ago. If they don't think he fits into the future, I believe they do a tag-and-trade. Why would you let someone you gave up so much for, walk with no compensation? There are plenty of teams out there that would take him and pay him.
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    Problem is, I doubt you find a trade partner. Not at what he would be making with the FT and not for what the Bears would want to get in return. You will not get near what they gave up for him. You will NOT get two first round picks, at this point, I doubt you would even get one first round pick for Jay.

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