Let's talk punter

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  1. lklrlolnlilklsox

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    I realize it's not a sexy position and most here would probably consider a pick spent on a P to be a waste, but I very much would like to draft one of this year's booming legs. It's been entirely too long since we had a stud punting the ball and winning field position for us, and it's way too important to just hand the competition to Butthead's waiver wire kid and some UDFA's regardless of league track record for non-draftees at the spot. Thoughts? Would you all like to see us spend a pick on Van Der Kamp, O'Donnell or Hornsey?
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    Good topic, thanks for bringing it up. I would like to see an UDFA or 2 brought in. Likely we won't have to draft one because usually no more than 5 get taken. Should be relevantly easy to find one that could stick. But hey, if Emery feels confident with our first 6 picks then yeah a punter could be the last one. Let's just not pull a Jaguars and draft one in the 3rd round :36 1 19[1]:
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    The way I look at it, we would be lucky to draft immediate help on ST in the sixth, so why not grab a truly important and lacking piece to the ST puzzle?
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    While I agree that Drew Butler (43.8 avg yds) is definitely not an upgrade over Podlesh (42.5 avg yds), I don't think it would be wise to spend a draft pick on a punter. We still have too many holes to fill. Give Butler a shot.

    A punter won't cost you a game, but a bad player on offense or defense will. Look at it this way, if our offense is good enough we don't need a punter anyway.
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    I respectfully disagree. You give a team a short field to work with consistently and they're always knocking on your door and your defense has their back against the wall all day. You pin them deep and often and they're going to have to earn every touchdown and your defense can pin their ears back a bit and get after it. While you cannot discount any player picked anywhere (Hall of Famers from #1 overall to UDFA's) but is a 6th rounder really going to be the difference maker on this defense? If we can get a "franchise" punter (as silly as that sounds) in the later rounds who's going to be booming the ball deep all season for years to come.. sign me up. I admit until lklrlolnlilklsox brought it up it hadn't even crossed my mind, but I'd be very okay with getting a great punter. Helps our defense and offense, shorter fields for the offense = more points. I'm all for it if the right guy is there in the right round.

    Also, as good as our #2 scoring offense was last year, I can only recall one game where we didn't require a punter. It's a rarity rather than the norm. Though, I realize you were probably somewhat kidding.
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    LOL! how bout we don't and say we did?!
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    Van der kamp works for me
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    If we just use the same special teams strategy from the Dallas game last year where we did not punt at all than all this punter talk is mute!

    I think this is filled with an undrafted free agent or by another team's camp leg once cuts start and won't be decided until the last cut before 53-man roster is named. With definite starters needed (and a lot of depth) yet on defense I cannot see Emery using a pick for a punter unless we trade down and pick up a handful late round picks.
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    Vet minimum for zoltan mesko, he is experienced in the cold and he kicks lefty (st coach preference)...I'd much rather use the 6th round picks on players that fell with medical issues and give them a chance to be healthy...just my opinion though
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    I was never a big fan of Podlesh, he was good at kicking it a mile high so that it was not returnable, but never capable of kicking it deep, even if that meant keeping it a little lower.

    If there is a kid out there that can boom it, then he can and will have an impact. So I do not think it would be a waste of a pick, but doing it before the 5th round might have an opportunity cost (missing out on a more impactful player).

    I do tend to agree that a very good punter can make a defense look better than it is. And the opposite can also be true.

    Special teams (punt team) was not very good last year. Butler and the new long snapper will likely be given every chance, but I would not be upset if they picked a punter.
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    Tom Hornsey, P, Memphis
    Height: 6-3. Weight: 195.
    Projected Round (2014): 6-FA.

    4/26/14: Hornsey won the Ray Guy Award as the nation's best punter. In 2013, he averaged 45.2 yards per punt with a long of 79 yards.

    8/20/13: Hornsey averaged 43.43 yards per punt with 25-of-60 landing inside the 20-yard line (42 percent) in 2012. If he can increase his average in 2013, it would help him get drafted.

    Hornsey practically wore out his leg with 95 punts in 2011. He averaged 42 yards per punt. Hornsey had only five go into the end zone for touchbacks with 23 punts downed inside the 20. He had 19 punts go beyond 50 yards.

    Personal: Majoring in health and human performance/exercise and sports science. Son of Craig and Michele Hornsey. From Australia.

    1. Brian Schmiedebusch, P, Bowling Green
      Height: 6-3. Weight: 226.
      Projected Round (2014): 7-FA.

      4/26/13: Schmiedebush averaged 39.8 yards per punt in 2013 with a long of 56 yards.

      8/20/13: Schmiedebusch saw his his average distance drop significantly in 2012 as he averaged 40.8 yards per punt. Schmiedebusch averaged 45.3 yards per punt in 2011 with a long of 81 yards. He previously played linebacker at a lower level in college football.

      Personal: Majoring in liberal studies. Son of Teresa and Steven Schmiedebusch.
    Kyle Christy*, P, Florida
    Height: 6-2. Weight: 200.
    Projected Round (2014): FA.

    4/26/14: Christy had an ugly start to the season, averaging only 40.2 yards per punt. He also dropped a punt against Tennessee and set up the Volunteers deep in Florida territory. Will Muschamp benched Christy for freshman Johnny Townsend.

    8/20/13: Christy took the punting job for 2012 after Chas Henry moved on to the NFL and has continued the trend of standout specialists from Florida. Christy finished fifth in the nation with 45.8 yards per punt. He made a real impact in field position as the Gators had a good defense but a streaky offense.


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    Just get one of these guys as an UDFA IMO and be done with it. If that Iowa State guy is there with our very last pick and Emery doesn't have anyone available to him he likes, and he is 100% satisfied with our draft, sure why not.
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    JA recommends the Bear's should get one in the 1st round. :36 11 11[1]:
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    Yeah, I disagree heartily. In fact, I believe the difference in punting field position gained and lost was the difference in our two huge recent season finales against the pukers in which we allowed them to back into the playoffs. Also, a sixth rounder is just so incredibly unlikely to make either our offense or defense any better this season, or the future.
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    That's what I was saying earlier, if Emery doesn't have anyone he sees value or potential in when our last pick comes around its possible. Doubt it but possible. As to punters winning or losing games they most certainly can IMO. There is something to be said if a guy can average 50 yards on deep punts and consistently put the other team inside the 20 if our offense can get the ball to around midfield.
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    We lost against those fuckers because the defense was horrible.

    Seriously, it doesn't really matter if your opponent starts at midfield or at its own 20 yard line. If your defense is good enough they will go three and out. Done.

    That's why I believe a punter won't cost you a game. But a shitty defense that cannot stop the ball will.

    Or when Tony Romo is your Quarterback.
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    He's not saying let's neglect the defense, or he'd rather have a good punter than a stellar D. He's saying that an excellent punter can put your team in position to win games by providing. And he's right. It's as a football 101, maybe 102 concept. Not that advanced.

    As far as OP's question... yes, I feel a punter is worth a late round pick. I don't know jack about any of the prospects, so that's where my contribution here ends... haha.
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    If they decided to use a 6th on a top 5 punter I'd be fine w/that. The P's have been pretty bad as of late.
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    Or Jerry Jones is your GM... Or within 100 yards of your facility for that matter.
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    :sign believecrap:

    That couldn't be more wrong. So if you have a top 5 defense you should just never punt right? 4th and 20 from your own 25 you should just chuck it up there and see what happens because your defense will stop them so what difference does it make? No, as Butka said the concept of field position is football 101. Pinning an offense back shrinks their playbook and forcing them go for long drives in order to score gives your defense more chances to stop them and keep points off the board. Nobody is saying that a good punter means you can play with 8 guys on defense but c'mon to say field position doesn't matter is dead wrong.
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