Marquess Wilson Bigger Role

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    Marquess Wilson will have a bigger role in 2014

    By Sam Householder@SamHouseholder on Jul 11 2014, 3:00p 18
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    Heading into training camp Windy City Gridiron will profile several Bears players who should improve and make more of an impact in 2014. These aren't necessarily the most important Bears for 2014 or second year players who will improve (though some will be), but players who for one or reason or another didn't meet expectations in 2013 and should in 2014.
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    The Bears' improved offense features perhaps the best 1-2 punch in the league with Alshon Jeffery and Brandon Marshall. What they may lack in terms of elite speed they more than make up for with their size, their strength, their physicality and their catch radius. They make tough catches look easy and routine.
    Longtime Bears fans are not used to the elite level of receivers that the team fielded. Now with those guys, in addition to playmakers like Matt Forte and Martellus Bennett, the Bears are far-removed from the days when Earl Bennett was the tallest receiver on the team.

    In fact, it seems most fans aren't sweating the fact that the Bears let Bennett go this offseason.
    A lot of that has to do with the hype of the man who is the favorite to replace him, as much as it is about the receivers in front of him on the depth chart.
    Marquess Wilson, a seventh-round pick last year, has been called time and time again a "first-round talent who fell to the seventh round." That designation is tossed around every year, usually attached to a player with injuries or an off-field reputation that makes teams leery. In Wilson's case it was that he quit on his college team after not getting along with his head coach.
    However, he claims he has grown up and after a year with the Bears there has been no reported problems.
    Wilson caught two passes last year for 13 yards in 10 games with one start.
    Since then he's been the darling of all the reports, with coaches gushing about him even before last year, the hype train surrounding Wilson has been building for quite some time.
    It ramped up once it was reported that he was working out with Brandon Marshall and the rest of the offense in Florida.
    Expectations for Wilson should be tempered though, because what Alshon Jeffery did in 2013 is as much a testament to his work and training as it is the skill set he had in place beforehand. Jeffery was a top WR talent in the 2012 NFL Draft and while Wilson had that potential, he still is considered raw. Plus, his role will be less of what Jeffery was asked to do.
    Wilson, however, should possess similar skill sets to those of Jeffery and Marshall. His 40 time isn't a heck of a lot different (4.45-4.51 for Wilson depending on the source, while Marshall is listed at 4.52 and Jeffery 4.48) and he's also tall (6'3") with good hands and body control. Hopefully, working with the Pro-Bowlers will help Wilson learn how to gain separation from NFL defenders and bulk up as well.
    Wilson should see the field a lot as the third receiver for coach Marc Trestman. Ideally he'll be a move-the-chains possession guy and work in the open space created by having the beasts that are Jeffery and Marshall on the outside.
    He will be counted on but, with plenty of other options for the Bears in the passing game, it's hard to put an estimate on what his final stats could be. I think if he were in the 35-45 reception range with 450-550 yards and three or four scores that would probably be considered solid. While that may seem low, Forte, Marshall and Jeffery accounted for 70 percent of the team's completions last year so opportunities could be limited. However, if they are comfortable with him the Bears could have more pass attempts and get Wilson involved more.
    What do you expect from Wilson in 2014?
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    What does everyone see Wilson doing this year.. Author above states


    I see closer to 700 to 800 as I expect the open guy to get the ball and not a predetermined target. Be nice to get all 3 WR with 1000+ yards but that is probably to much to hope for
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    What's funny to me is if fans of any other team were drooling over a guy who had 2 catches for 13 yards his rookie year we would probably be calling them idiots. lol. I really do have high hopes for Wilson, though. He could be a great compliment to the rest of the receiving corps.
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    I guess I don't really have any expectations based on his number of catches or yardage gained which is why what he didn't do last year means very little to me. He wasn't used much and even when he was he wasn't thrown to so why should I expect him to have some kind of glowing stats that predict a break out year is about to happen.

    We didn't need him last year because Earl Bennett was a proven dependable 3rd receiver but Bennett is gone now so we do need him to step up and become that guy. The kid showed good talent in college but lacked a little in the maturity department but since he was only 19 years old at the time I guess I can look past that.

    Now he's 21, he's put on the 20lbs he needed to in order to handle playing in the NFL, and he spent the offseason training with one of the best in the business. IMHO he's ready to move forward and I think he will. What I expect from him is to become a bigger faster version of Earl Bennett whose every bit as dependable in the slot as Earl was.

    If he can just do that much this year and build from there as he learns to play at Flanker and at Split End I think we'll have another great WR in the making. I watched some of his interview vids and the kid seems to have a great attitude. He's certainly not the diva type so I think we've probably found ourselves a good #3 WR.
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    I agree Wilson had minimal opportunities last year but the kid is good. Many have said he was a first round talent that teams avoided because he quit on his college team. ( He and the Coach could not get along.) The WCO is designed around reading and reacting to what the defense does and hitting the open man with quick throws. Although Marshall may be Jays favorite target, the WCO dictates you find the open man.

    I exect Wilson to have numbers similar to M Bennett. Last year per espn stats
    96 targets
    65 receptions
    759 yards

    I would expect Wilson to break a few for more yards than Bennett with his speed and with the offense in its second along with an improved defense I expect to get more offensive plays with the defense getting some stops. Thus 50 catches or so and 750 yds seems plausible. The key here may be how many plays Morgan gets rather than Wilson

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    35 catches and 400 yards would be great. Cutler has too many better options. I would rather see more 3rd down conversions like Earl than some guess at a yardage total.

    For Wilson's sake, he better not drop his first few passes from Cutler or he will avoid him Hester style.
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    Third down conversions and moving the chains will be great, but a true WCO does not designate a player or a position to accomplish it. That was the Tice way of thinking.
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    I was curious if I was expecting to much from Wilson or y'all to little so I remembered the below fantasy football story and looked up last yrs yardage for the top 10 only. Below are the findings, highlighted in Lime are 2013 yards. Many of these players are moving into the role and have misleading numbers,Wilson is a good example with 13 yards. On the opposite side guys like Harry Douglas started resulting from injury to the starter and had over 1000 yards. I guess y'all can come to your own conclusion but I will be disappointed if Wilson is unable to get 600 yards barring injury.

    Today, I’ll be ranking and analyzing the No. 3 wide receivers on all 32 teams from a fantasy standpoint. This, of course, is as the rosters stand currently. Teams will continue to sign players and improve their wide receiver units during May’s draft. In the meantime, we can look for some early values, busts, and breakout candidates based on philosophy changes and depth chart structure.

    Personnel package data provided by ProFootballFocus.com

    1. Emmanuel Sanders – Broncos (2013_ 740 yards)

    Working as Denver’s No. 3 wide receiver, Wes Welker ran 89 percent of all possible routes when healthy last season. Sanders takes over that role in 2014. Per Pro Football Focus, Denver had at least three wide receivers on the field 76 percent of the time, which is third-highest in the league. Sanders is a strong WR3 with WR2 upside.

    2. Jarrett Boykin – Packers (2013_ 680 yards)

    Per PFF, no team had three or more wide receivers on the field more than Green Bay last season (79 percent). With James Jones now in Oakland, Boykin has been promoted into a role that puts him behind only Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb for targets. He’s a borderline WR3.

    3. Jerrel Jernigan – Giants (329 yards- did not play early in season)

    Fantasy’s No. 2 scoring wide receiver over the final three weeks of the 2013 season, Jernigan is primed for a much larger role going forward. A third-round pick in 2011, Jernigan figures to share slot duties with Victor Cruz and will push Rueben Randle for a starting gig. Question marks at tight end mean targets will be easy to find for Jernigan. Keep him on your WR4 radar.

    4. Justin HunterTitans (2013 _354 yards)

    A second-round pick one year ago, Hunter’s role is expected to expand during his sophomore season. New coach Ken Whisenhunt has a pass-happy background with a history of heavily using three and even four-wide receiver sets. Kendall Wright is atop the depth chart, but Hunter will immediately be pushing Nate Washington for a larger piece of the pie. Draft Hunter late and stash the breakout candidate on your bench.

    5. Hakeem Nicks – Colts (2013- 896 yards)

    We know Nicks has a ton of talent, but his health is a question and he’s no longer a featured player in his offense. The Colts utilized ‘11’ personnel plenty last season, but that figures to change with Dwayne Allen back from injury. Nicks remains worthy of a flier because of his talent level, the Colts’ improving offense, and Reggie Wayne’s questionable health.

    6. Mike Williams – Bills (2013 - 236 yards)

    A starter in Tampa Bay as recently as 2013, Williams is going to have to compete for regular snaps in Buffalo. Stevie Johnson is a lock to start if he’s retained, leaving Williams to take on 2013 draft picks Robert Woods (second round) and Marquise Goodwin (fourth) for targets. Buffalo used plenty of ‘11’ personnel in 2013 and that figures to increase going forward when you consider their depth at wide receiver.

    7. Danny Amendola – Patriots (633 yards_ injured for several weeks)

    At this point, sorting out the Patriots wide receiver depth chart is tricky. Julian Edelman is clearly No. 1, but Aaron Dobson had offseason surgery, Amendola is coming off another injury-plagued season, and Brandon LaFell is best in a reserve role. New England didn’t use a ton of three-wide receiver sets in 2013 and that won’t change this year if Rob Gronkowski and Shane Vereen stay upright. Of course, as long as Tom Brady is running the show, New England’s wide receivers will make for decent stashes.

    8. Harry Douglas – Falcons (2013_ 1067 yards, started a couple weeks due to injuries)

    One of last season’s quietest breakout players, Douglas took advantage of injuries to Julio Jones and Roddy White en route to finishing No. 32 in fantasy points at the position. He’ll revert back to No. 3 on the depth chart, but won’t fade to the level of obscurity he endured earlier in his career. That’s especially the case with Tony Gonzalez out of the mix and Atlanta running a lot of three-plus wide receiver sets.

    9. Andrew Hawkins – Browns (2013 - 199 yards)

    Teams don’t tender other club’s restricted free agents often, which tells us something about the Browns signing Hawkins to a four-year, $13.6 million deal. He’s going to play. New offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan has a history of using three-wide sets at a rate near league average, but he’s certainly going to manufacture touches for his new slot weapon. Of course, if the Browns don’t upgrade on Greg Little and Nate Burleson, Hawkins could end up playing an even larger role.

    10. Marquess Wilson – Bears (2013_ 13 yards)

    The Bears didn’t use a ton of three-wide receiver sets in Marc Trestman’s first year at the helm, but the release of Earl Bennett mean’s Wilson is one injury away from a prominent role in a strong offense that features its every-down players. Wilson is only 21 and a raw player, but his high ceiling makes him an intriguing late-round flier.
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    Nice work up brother. I loved Earl Bennett but his injuries probably kept him from being as productive throughout his career as he may have been. But the guy was still a "warrior" you could depend on for a clutch catch and as a blocker. In that regard Wilson has some big shoes to fill.

    He's a little smaller version of Marshall and Jeffery but like Jeffery he's got sneaky speed and great hands. I don't think we're any worse off at that #3 spot and truthfully I expect Wilson to be more productive in total yardage and average yards per catch. He's a better deep threat from the slot than Bennett was.

    On a different topic;

    2. Jarrett Boykin – Packers (2013_ 680 yards)

    Per PFF, no team had three or more wide receivers on the field more than Green Bay last season (79 percent). With James Jones now in Oakland, Boykin has been promoted into a role that puts him behind only Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb for targets. He’s a borderline WR3.

    I don't know how many caught this but it does confirm why, for our purposes, drafting Kyle Fuller made more sense than drafting one of the Safeties. We often talk about the need to build the team in a fashion that addresses what it will take to win in our own division and that surely seems to have been the thinking there. To combat those 3 WR sets we need 3 very good CBs.
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    I'm most interested in seeing how Wilson does as a blocker. As good as Marshall and Jeffery are at catching the ball, they are among the best in the league at blocking down field. That is a BIG deal for Forte's breakout runs (which is what he relies upon for his yardage totals, not the grind it out stuff), and therefore for the balance of our offense.

    Block Marques, block!
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    Yep, the added weight should help some and I imagine the rest should have come from Marshall and Jeffery by now. They aren't gonna let him forget that part because both of them are pretty proud of their ability as blockers.

    Maybe I'm being overly optimistic but I just don't see how the kid can miss. Not with the help he's been getting from Marshall and Jeffery and Bennett too I'm sure. The kid had enough raw talent to once be thought of as a potential first round pick.

    There hasn't even been a whisper of talk about any competition for his spot. It's all been about the #4 and #5 spots. Wilson has the skids greased so he'd have to screw up pretty badly to lose his spot I'd imagine.
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    Sure hate to be the Def Coor. for the opposing team trying to figure out how to stop Forte, Marshall, Jeffries, Bennett, and now Wilson at 6-3 with 4.4 or 4.5 speed. This has to keep them up late at night before the game. I am glad we have a good line because I suspect many will try to apply pressure and make Cutler take the short passes in front of the Defense and hope Cutler screws up. This could also lead to a few over the top easy scores but all those weapons you almost have to apply pressure and keep them in front of you. Should be an interesting season, hope the Oline is up for the task.
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    Will the guy w/2 catches and from the 4th WR spot have a bigger year this year? Man I hope so. 1) He's the 3rd WR now, not the 4th. 2) this is the 2nd year for everyone in the system so everyone should be more comfortable in it. 3) keep in mind the 3rd WR is still the 5th option on this team behind the 1 and 2, Forte and Bennett.

    If Earl's #'s from last year are the starting point, expect 30+ catches on 40+ targets and 200-300 yards and around 4 TD's.

    Kids still a 2nd year WR and has to battle for oppertunities between 2 pro bowl WR's in front of him, a pro bowl pass catching RB and a really damn good TE. Asking him to have a much better year then an established guy that was in his place the year before is asking way to much imo. If it happens great, he's exceded expectations, but it shouldn't be the starting point.
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    Not singling you out here Ric, just everybody excepts mediocrity. That is why the Bears have wandered aimlessly the last several years. If you are going to play 3 WR's then he should aim to be in the top 5 or so at his position across the league. If players in that position are gettting yds then if he is in the top 80% he should be around 800.
    A team is only as good as its weak link and if the bottom 20% is acceptable then you will not be a playoff team. I know this is a simplistic point of view but great players make others better, bad players make others play down to there level. I want to win the SB again before I die. I may or may not have another 20 yrs, but I would like to enjoy it and remember it. To me accepting poor numbers means we should have upgraded the position or mediocrity is ok. I believe Wilson did not need to be upgraded, now I want to see some top 20% numbers from him at his position. Basically I want above average play and I believe that requires more than most here are asking for.
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    BSB, most teams are not going to have their 3rd WR behind w/their TE and RB for looks; and most teams would love to have just 1 top tier WR the likes of Jeffery or Marshal.

    It's the exact opposite for me, it's not I'm expecting mediocrity from Wilson; Earl wasn't mediocre(he's not a 1 or 2 mind you), he has some of the most reliable hands in the league, but couldn't get more then 50 attempts his way. It's the shere amount of talent that is in front of the # 3 that limits his looks.

    The Bears had something like approx 580 pass attempts last year(I'd expect about the same this year), Cutty completes about 63% of his passes, for approx 365 completions. Jeffery/Marshal got more then 50% of those(deseringly so), that leaves about 175, Forte and DaOD got about 112 of those(deseringly so), leaving 63 for EVERY other WR/RB/TE on the roster; of those Earl got about 50% of them, leaving about 30 for 5 other players over 16 games. And that was /w McCown spreading the ball around more evenly for 1/2 the season, I bet the #'s get more lopsided w/Cutty's numbers in his games.

    There just aren't that many balls to go around for Wilson to get 50+ targets, let alone receptions unless you take away from Forte/DaOD and I don't see a reason to do that w/a 2nd year WR w/2 NFL catches to his name. I expect him to take the Earl Bennet role, get the same targets, maybe more yards and about the same TD's. And that's not a knock, it's just compliment to the guys in front of him. I don't want to see Forte's #'s go down much, and if they do I'd rather them go to Bennett. Forte is a lynchpin to this offense, and BU deserves more oppertunities to make plays if they do decide to limit Forte's role some.
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    Tice is the only offensive coordinator to use role players? I do know he liked the Randy Moss style of offense where he only called passes to his #1 receiver.

    Cutler prefers to throw to Marshall in the end zone. He's got Jeffery, Forte, and M. Bennett after that to throw to. Just being realistic about his chances to score in the end zone.
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    Tice is the only offensive coordinator to use role players? I do know he liked the Randy Moss style of offense where he only called passes to his #1 receiver.

    Cutler prefers to throw to Marshall in the end zone. He's got Jeffery, Forte, and M. Bennett after that to throw to. Just being realistic about his chances to score in the end zone.
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    I dont care about height or speed ... I care about HANDS.

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    All indicators say yes. He can catch them over top of the short guys using his height or outrun the slow guys using his speed.:rofl2::4 1 111[1]::laughing 019::rofl2:
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