McCown not a sure thing

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  1. soulman

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    I'm convinced that without a top defense the Bears have no chance of winning a championship. In fact they'd struggle to even get that far because the only teams who have are teams who've been led by the best QBs in the entire NFL and without a great defense they usually lost.

    As far as Cutler goes he's not in the same league as those guys but he's still a top ten QB based on his passing skills. He still needs some fine tuning on his mechanics and his reads but that's what Trestman and Cavanaugh are for. I still believe Chicago hasn't seen the best of Jay Cutler yet. I watched him for 3 years in Denver, two of which he was the starter and played all 16 games, and what I saw was a guy who was a cut above a lot of other QBs. I saw Tom Brady play in Denver in his rookie year and although they are much different in style I saw much the same.

    I'm not saying he's an equal of Brady or Manning or even Rodgers but he's more than good enough to win a championship with and although the price tag for signing his was steep it was pretty much a market level deal and it was very cleverly done. It's essentially a three year deal with options to extend it. If Cutler can't win big and we've got another QB in the pipeline to replace him he'll be released or traded with no cap penalty unless they decide to restructure the deal. McCown is a very good backup but hell would freeze over before you'd win a championship with him and that's what Emery says he's after and now.

    That being the case now that he has his offense set and his QB under wraps he'd better get busy on his defense and make better personnel decisions on that side of the ball than he's done so far. He's got a one to two year window to make them a top ten defense again and the clock is already ticking. They can win a championship with Cutler but not without a top defense. No one can.
     
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    I've thought about this a lot (over the past week or so in particular). I understand a lot of people think the new Trestman offense can take us to the promised land with a 2nd rate defense. I just don't believe that thinking is sound. Frankly, I don't think we'll win our division with a healthy Green Bay team led by Aaron Rodgers - if all we have is a 2nd rate defense. We are going to need a pretty stout defense to go with that Trestman offense.

    Having a good offense AND defense is not mutually exclusive if you have a solid GM and scouting department in place. Sure, one component will be better than the other. But that doesn't mean you can only have one decent unit out of the two. I'm hoping Emery does very well here in Chicago feeding the talent pipeline for offense and defense.
     
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    Your WIL should be the surest tackler on the team. The SAM comes off the field when in the nickle because his main role is to take on the tight end in a running situation while the extra corner is obviously for passing downs.

    Anderson got more playing time because teams were always running against us because we could not stop it, and because he had the green dot on his helmet while Briggs was on the sideline because Bostic apparently cannot relay plays in the huddle.

    He was bad for the past two years against the run in Carolina, and he was bad against the run here.
     
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    Boy did you ever hit home on this one brother. This is exactly what I saw and I highlighted what I thought were the most important points.

    1) Anderson wasn't playing SAM the way it's played in that defense and there were gaps on that defensive left you could have driven a semi through. That SLB should have the least amount of tackles of any of the LB and instead he had the most. Unfortunately many of them were 5-10 yards downfield. His job was to seal that RT gap and turn plays back inside to the pursuit and he failed.

    2) Roach was a far better SAM because he understood his role and he played it well. He was also a decent MLB. Too many Bears fans compared him to Urlacher and that was not a fair comparison. Urlacher was much bigger and until the last year or two much faster but that didn't mean Roach wasn't a competent SLB/MLB and in Oakland he proved that.

    3) Anderson is a decent cover LB but a bad at run defense which is why he was let go and also why he came cheap. This is a perfect example of Phil Emery not having a proper grasp of defensive football. If you plan on playing that same defense the team has been running then if he was gonna let Urlacher go maybe he should have kept Roach around or found another SLB who could handle the responsibilities required of him in that defense. Anderson wasn't able to even come close which is why there was absolutely no talk of his returning even before the decided to move McClellin and Bostic to compete at SLB.

    Phil Emery has made some HUGE personnel mistakes on defense that so far he's been forgiven for because of the way the offense has performed but the Bears have always won big when they've had a dominant defense and if Emery doesn't restore that fans will calling for his scalp soon enough just like they did with Angelo.
     
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    Then why are you so impressed by stats put up by the SAM? In our scheme, the SAM is not supposed to rack up stats. It's like having a cornerback with a lot of tackles. It means the defense was malfunctioning at a basic level. Somebody eventually has to make the tackle. So it was Anderson 10 yards down the field after Greene got taken away in a wash of blockers so we could give up 161 yards per game on the ground. That's not something to look at positively. I do like how he got after QBs from his position. But his primary role is run support, and anyone could run against the Bears last year.

    I would not mind seeing what he can do with guys next to him that are healthy and know what they are doing. No way was he a better player than Roach would have been for the Bears, and I do not see him as an essential signing like Jennings was.

    As for Roach, it was plainly obvious the Bears lacked Tampa 2 experience at the MLB because they were losing the chess match at the LOS. I'd say to just look at the contract differential, but I'm sure you'll comment that the Raiders are dumb with their money and we are smart. Anderson was available for the Raiders to sign, but they immediately moved on Roach when FA broke.

    Our run defense was last in the league. The Raiders were 12th. It's not about individual stats when your defense is historically bad. Did Anderson do his main role at a high level? The team stats say no.

    To accentuate his current value to the Bears. He's still a FA. You said Boggs was a moot point when he was not under contract. Well, the Bears signed Boggs before Anderson.
     
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    I'm 100% ok with letting him go, shes a system guy and will flop anywhere else. I mean he also did have a great line and two of the top 13 best wr int he game, I'm ready for us to draft someone late or pick up a FA on the cheap and fix those fundamentals
     
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    Anderson got the most playing time because he was the only linebacker who stayed healthy all season! Secondly, why would you take a linebacker who is solid against the pass off the field in passing situations. Please explain to me how that makes an iota of sense? Lastly, he was not bad against the run his last 2 years in Carolina. He wasn't the best, but he wasn't bad. This board seems to love to operate in extremes and ignore fact. A player can be decent at something, he doesn't have to either be great or terrible. Is James Anderson an elite linebacker? NO, I don't think anyone is saying that, but he's pretty damn solid.
     
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    The system he played in at Carolina was far different than the one the Bears played and weneedmoreline hit the nail on the head. Maybe I should rephrase a bit an emphasize that while Anderson probably isn't the worst run LB around he wasn't the right guy to play SAM in that defense. He's more of a WLB and they played him there some of the time after Briggs went down which also added to his tackles. At SLB he's not supposed to make the tackles he's supposed to contain and seal the RT gap. The MLB, WLB, and backside pursuit make most of the tackles. He played the position like he played it in Carolina which is why they kept saying some of the defense wasn't playing their "run fits" (first time I ever heard that term) correctly and Anderson was one of those most guilty of that.

    I never said he should have played MLB I referred to that fact that he did not play MLB whereas Roach had and so had DWill. Anderson played relatively well in space and in coverage but that wasn't his role in that defense. He ended up making far too many tackles in space partly because of the failure of McClellin to seal the edge or get off blocks and partly because he wasn't doing it either. There was a total failure of that defensive left to play that defense that way it was designed to be played. I'll admit that injuries played there part but the rest was playing two guys at positions they weren't capable of playing. The majority of the big running plays the defense allowed went right through those two guys.

    Let's just settle it by saying that Emery made another misjudgment in how he handled restructuring that LB core once he let both Roach and Urlacher go. Maybe it should have been one or the other, not both, but it's water over the damn now. They want DWill back not only because he can play MLB but also because he's a far better LB than Anderson if he can stay healthy. What's done is done but from now on Phil Emery needs to do a lot better job or personnel selection and management than he's been doing and I believe even he would admit to that.
     
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    This just isn't true. He was let go because Carolina was cash strapped and had no cap room, and they had Luke Keuchely, Tommie Davis, and John Beason. It's not like they didn't have some players at linebacker. By the way, Tommie Davis moved to the SAM position for Carolina this year and was second in tackles...just saying. I recognize the responsibilities historically speaking in our defense, but the fall off in our run defense was not solely because James Anderson was in our lineup. James Anderson, believe it or not was tied for first in tackles for a loss on the team.
     
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    I'm aware how the defense works, I played it. The problem is one guy not doing his job effects how the other guy does his job. I think if the unit had remained healthy this would be a different discussion.
     

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