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  1. riczaj01

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    Okay so more information seems to have come out since I did the April 1st mock.
    First and foremost Emery has stated he wants Houston/Allen/Young/Ratliff all on the field at the same time, at least part of the time, so that means that team has 4 DT's on the roster but only 2 NT's: Ratliff/Collins/Houston/Izzy, some say that Young can move inside to but man he seems small to do that, buf if that's the case 5, NT's on the roster Paea/Ratliff

    I know none of us know what the D scheme will be other then 4-3 w/some 3-4, and no guarantees that they will run what they did last year, but the 4-3 was a under not over, which means the RDE and the DT are next to eachother and Allen, RDE, wants to play next to Ratlfif meaning he's going to probably start at DT. Also In Jax Tucker used bigger DT's and created pressure using blitzes from other positions, which is also what they did last year(possibly out of necessity) again doesn't mean that will be what they do this year but it helps paint a picture, again see Ratliff 303 lbs.

    The Bears added a C that is probably going to take over next year, mabye this year removing the need for a C in the draft.

    So team needs: DT/NT, OLB/ILB, SS/FS, CB, RB, TE, QB

    I'm going to do this a little different, I'm going to link multiple scouting reports so you can read differnt opinions on players instead of trusting my ablity to translate them, just keep in mind some of these guys love to being overly critical, as if that makes them seem more fair or more of an expert.

    QB:Cutler/Palmer
    RB:Forte/Ford
    C:Garza/BDLP/Boggs
    G:Slauson/Long/Boggs/Brown
    T:Bushrod/Mills/JLong/Brown
    TE: DaOD/Rosario/Mulligan/Fendi
    WR: Jeffery/Marshal/Wilson/Hixon
    DT:Ratliff/Collins/Houston/Izzy
    NT: Paea/Ratliff
    DE:Allen/Houston/Young/Bass/Washington
    OLB:Briggs/Bostic/She/Greene
    ILB: DJ/Bostic
    CB:Jennings/Tillman/Frey/____
    S:Conte/____/Mundy/____/MDJenn

    Off the board(in nopaticular order) Clowney, Bortles, Watkins, Mack, Manziel, Robinson, Evans, Matthews, Barr, Gilbert, Mosely, Donald, Dix,
    Bears do not have the option of a top anything on D, they could choose the Best TE on the board, but decide to go w/the 2nd best at a D position and address TE later:
    14: Calvin Pryor: We've discussed in in another thread to death, needless to say the team needs a pressence in the backfield and he does that in spades.
    http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=18283
    http://www.ninersnation.com/2014/4/5/5579948/2014-nfl-draft-calvin-pryor-scouting-profile
    http://edraft.com/nfl/news/2014-nfl-draft-calvin-pryor-scouting-report/
    http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2014cpryor.php
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ting-report-nfl-outlook-for-louisville-safety

    51: Keith McGill CB, Utah, the team doubles down in the backfield by getting themselves a future starting CB
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...cgill-scouting-report-nfl-outlook-for-utah-cb
    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=122
    http://nfldraftgeek.com/keithmcgill_scoutingreport.html
    http://withthefirstpick.com/2013/12/12/2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report-keith-mcgill-cb-utah/
    http://standingosports.com/main/2014/03/06/scouting-report-utah-cb-keith-mcgill/

    82 DaQuan Jones DT/NT Penn State: The bears need more depth at NT behind Paea and Ratliff, but can also play DT and Jones is open to the idea of a 3-4 NT which the Bears also will need, if only on a limited basis, and at 322 lb's he's got the size and power to do it, and if you are wondering ya even at 322 he can get after the qb.
    http://edraft.com/nfl/news/2014-nfl-draft-daquan-jones-scouting-report/
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...scouting-report-nfl-outlook-for-penn-state-dt
    http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=4642
    http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2011dbowers_greg.php

    117 Yarwin Smallwood ILB UConn: Bears need depth at ILB and hope that everything works out in OLB and Smallwood fills that role
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nfl-outlook-for-connecticut-inside-linebacker
    http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2014/3...couting-report-nfl-draft-2014-atlanta-falcons
    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=67

    156 David Fales QB San Jose St: Bears need a guy they can groom over the next 1-2 years to be the eventual backup and potential trade back in year 3, in comes Fales:
    http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2014dfales.php
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ting-report-nfl-outlook-for-san-jose-state-qb
    http://withthefirstpick.com/2013/11/18/2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report-david-fales-qb-san-jose-state/
    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/22328242/nfl-draft-qb-david-fales-scouting-report

    183 Authur Lynch, TE Georgia: Bears need someone that might be able to develop into a legit TE and they look to do that w/Lynch a big raw kid
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ch-scouting-report-nfl-outlook-for-georgia-te
    http://withthefirstpick.com/2014/01/19/2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report-arthur-lynch-te-georgia/

    191 Ty Zimmerman S, Bears look to add developmental depth to their weakest area.
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ng-report-nfl-outlook-for-kansas-state-safety
    http://edraft.com/nfl/news/2014-nfl-draft-ty-zimmerman-scouting-report/
    http://withthefirstpick.com/2013/07...season-breakdown-ty-zimmerman-s-kansas-state/

    UDFA:
    Glasco Martin RB Baylor, 6'0" 220 4.6 40.
    Andrew Wilson ILB/OLB Missouri 6'3" 255 4.74 40
    Kyle Christy P

    QB:Cutler/Palmer/Fales
    RB:Forte/Ford/Glasco
    C:Garza/BDLP/Boggs
    G:Slauson/Long/Boggs/Brown
    T:Bushrod/Mills/JLong/Brown
    TE: DaOD/Rosario/Mulligan/Fendi/Lynch
    WR: Jeffery/Marshal/Wilson/Hixon
    DT:Ratliff/Collins/Houston/Izzy/Jones
    NT: Paea/Ratliff/Jones
    DE:Allen/Houston/Young/Bass/Washington
    OLB:Briggs/Bostic/Shea/Greene
    ILB: DJ/Bostic/Smallwood
    CB:Jennings/Tillman/McGill/Frey
    S:Pryor/Mundy/Zimmerman/MDJenn
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    Good mock ric. Must have been doing mine while you posted this, funny that we both came up with the same top picks. Jones looks more as a 3-4 NT though.
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    Grizz, he does, but everything I read in his scouting is that he's capable of creating pressure on the qb, even if he doesn't get there and he's a solid run stuffer at t he 1 t ech also. I almost went quarles but I still see a NT rotational player as a need, and the team does need a 3-4 NT for the few times they plan on playing it, I don't know that Ratliff or Paea could handle those duties.
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    Ya know, I don't really buy we will use much if any 3-4 fronts. It just does not makes sense, not in the NFL at least. It creates additional needs that shouldnt be needed. In college, when you have a huge program and can land 3 of the top 5 dl in the country on a yearly basis, I can see it because you have the extra personnel. In the NFL, no. IF we even run any, the only one I can see is a staggered backer "stem" front. Would virtually be our 43 front with a 3 and 5(or 7 depending on TE) on one side and a 2 on the other with shea as a stand up 5 on the other side. Probably a pass rush set that we had in mind prior to the Jarred Allen signing. I just dont think we will see a true 3-4 featuring a 0 and twin 4s. GB uses that stem front in some passing downs in order to get Mathewes on the edge faster.

    With all the needs we have, I don't see Emery finding it wise to create another need because your right, I don't think Ratliff could play a true 0.
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    Grizz, normally I would agree, but think about it. Houston can play DE in a 3-4 so can Ratliff, the only LB on the team w/no experience in 3-4 is Briggs, and Jennings and Tillman shouldn't be that effected by it as they are good enough they should be able to man up the S's are going to be much improved also. I don't think they'll run it much, but I could see them running some, maybe 10% of snaps. Just enough to create problems and make teams have to plan for it.

    I just see them wanting to use the "versatility of this team to their advantage, and if you believe that Tucker likes bigger interior linemen, why not go w/a guy that could play NT in both to have that versatility?
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    I've always understood your logic but if we were doing that then we would need a 3-4 NT and a 4-3 3 tech. Would prolly mean that we drafted a guy like Hageman to do both. Personally, I don't see why bother. I would rather my team be great at one thing instead of just okay at two. In the NFL a 3-4 vs 4-3 is a matter of personnel and coaching experiences. It provides little if any schematic advantage and will just complicate things and take away practice time. Its a huge difference in responsibility and reads for our DL and LB. I just don't see us swaping back and forth between a 1 gap and 2 gap system, seems like a one way street to failure to me.
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    That's assuming you want a "traditional 3 tech" small fast guy and not a 4-3 that has 2 big bodies ala Minny w/the twin towers which forced all the action outside where your OLB's and DE's could make a play, right now that's where the strength of this team currently lies, and Houston moving inside on pass rushing downs does give you that interior rusher you are looking for.
    I agree it overly complicates things, but I also believe it allows the team to use their LB's and(hopefully) athletic new S/'s to blitz and create confusion, which they would be able to do.
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    It's more about the unnecessary added schematic differences than the personnel. The difference esp for the DL in a 2 gap or 1 gap system are night and day. It takes a long time to feel the reads you have to make and a ton of reps in a 2gap system. As for a "traditional 3 tech" we just need a guy who can create pressure. Quarles can do that and hes right around 300 lbs. And 330 plus pounders usually are not going to be able to do that for you. Someone with a quick explosive start, solid pass rush technique and the power to press the pocket. If you cant get any interior pressure your DE's become ineffective, and your pass rush goes with it. That forces you to have to blitz instead of choosing when to blitz. As to the Williams wall that minny had. They were able to press the pocket. Rare athletes that could operate despite 340 lb frames. A guy like Nix for example is not going to do that for you. He had 2 sacks in his entire career at ND. Thats an example of a 3-4 NT that we have no use for.
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    Your title made me think of this and totally off topic but what the hell. You know what sucks? That there is going to be mid May mock drafts. I am not a fan of this moving the draft date business. This moving the draft date back is like the NFL deciding to play more National Anthem and Star Spangled Banner songs at the game. What, America the Beautiful too? Sure, throw it in there. Let's sing some School House Rock songs about the Shot Heard Round the World while we are at it. Nothing like delaying the actual event we are here to see even more.

    Just do the draft already, Goodell.
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    Ric, thanks you put a lot of work into your draft. I like your draft.
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    Grizz, but sacking and collapsing the pocket are 2 seperate things, And Jones can get sacks and get pressure multiple scouting reports say his stats don't show how much qb pressure he can give a team. And it's not like Pat Williams was a sack machine, He never had more then 3 sacks in any given year, and that was his rookie yar. Kevin was a beast early, but most of his career was 4-6 sacks. It's not like they were dominating qb killers.
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    If they are explosive good one gap players then I have no problem with them. I don't have much knowledge on Jones, but there are two different positions in a 4-3. If we had Melton still but were looking for a 2 tech then a guy like Jones would be more appealing. We are looking for a 3, and from that we need explosiveness and ability to press the pocket and then bring the qb down if he tries to step up or is squeezed from the edge. That requires a degree of quickness and abilities to defeat the block. We do not need a plug like Nix or Raji who takes up space and uses the big body to command double teams and stuff/stall combo blocks. I don't know much about Jones, maybe he can do that but at a glance I see a NT not a 3. Some NTs types can provide that explosiveness to get the pressure and finish the sack when need be, and if thats the case more power to them. I see a guy like Hageman being able to make that jump, but not a guy like Nix. Not sure where Jones falls into that category, ive never seen him play.
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    Depends on what the team considers a need, what if they see Ratliff Collins and Houston as the classic 3 tech; again I go back to last year when the team felt Collins was every bit the quality that Melton was. This is what I've been tlaking about, we don't know what they are looking t o do so it's all waxing philisophical. As fans we just don't know what the team is planning so there is no way that any of us can be right other then through astronomical chances.
    They might well be looking for a classic 3 tech ,if that's the case I want them t o grab Donald or Anthony Johnson. IF they are looking for a "versatile" guy that can do a little of both NT and DT w/the ability to collapse the pocket, even if it's not a qb sack then a guy like Nix or Jones or Hagemen.
    It all depends on what they are looking for, Kevin Williams was 311 and got as many sacks as Melton ever did, so just cannot look at weight, and say hey he's to big to rush the passer, having dynamic DE's keeping the qb inside will help the DT's just as much as the DT's collapsing the pocket help the DE's.
    It's all a matter of taking the information(which could be clearly false) and running with it and just knowing that it's all pointless fun guestimation anyways.

    man I really don't like the draft so far off .
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    Me neither, don't understand why it got moved back. Gives the players less time with the team and vice versa.
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    yep and really creates an uncomfortable gap, last few years you had end of season, few weeks for talking about end of season, some room for the NCAA and then boom FA, then a few weeks to let FA shed out and Boom draft, and talk was on about the draft and when that died down it was time for volunteer OTA's and team practices. It had a nice flow to it.
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    Yep, and as much as I feel that we can have pretty meaningful insight and inferences relating to the draft it gets to a point (now) where its about all dried up. We suck up every bit of information and try to run with it for miles when in reality its a foot long. This gap sucks.
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    Yep at some point you've looked at every position worth a damn that is a potential and now it's just a matter of who screwed up(ie in the news for all the wrong reasons). Which might not have happened if they had been drafted and was busy getting to know their employers
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    Good mock Ric, I follow your logic and it works. Personally I would get a MLB before Smallwood as I do not see much in him, If going later Preston Brown would prob be a guy to look at. I am still hung up on CB or DT in rd 2, ideally Robey will fall and make it a no brainer otherwise I like DT before CB. ( like I said, matter of choice but I like DT before CB) Depends who is on the board and how they rate them.
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    This year all i'm looking for in ILB is someone to backup, and most say that while Smallwoods ceiling is low, he COULD start if necessary b/c his football IQ will carry him. Next year sadly I'd be looking for a ILB to start longterm either via FA or the draft b/c like you point out he's not a longter future starter; but you don't get those in the mid rounds.

    I could have easily gone DT in the 2nd, and thought about it, Ego and Hageman are both likely there for the taking and could fit the bill, but I'm not sure you can find a starting CB next year in rounds 3 and 4. Robey SJB, McGill, Ego, Hagemen are all great options in the 2nd more then any S you'll find there(imo). Draft is funny that way though, and it's possible the team still undervalues S enough to go DT CB rounds 1 and 2 and S/LB 3 and 4. Sadly even 3rd or 4th round S is going to outperform what we had last year. Skov seems to be falling, but I heard he might be rising again, so I didn't want to grab him in the 4th b/c he might not make it there. I really don't like the ILB's in this draft, but the position is so weak you have to take one.
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    I've been following the discussion between Grizz and Ric. I agree with elements of both sides. I do think that it would make things more complicated and I also think that in some ways, that is what Trestman wants. I think he wants the ability to be able to confuse the offense at will. It has been said several times that he is very good at looking at the game from an offense and QB perspective and if he says that the ability to mix up the defense with both 3-4 and 4-3 looks is something he would like to do, then I think it has value and probably will throw a monkey wrench into most offenses.

    At the same time, we couldn't find a way to have our guys in the right place for just the 4-3, so adding some 3-4 would be a challenge. I'm just thinking how I would handle this. I don't buy that you have to sacrifice one for the other. I think you can make it work with both, but I don;t think we are at that point yet. To make a it work you need a NT that can play both types of a D with no drop off. Can clog the center, push it and still be fast enough at least for a short distance to go after the QB. Nix may or may not be that guy and maybe there isn't one in this draft. They don't fall off of trees.

    So I would get a guy that can do both and then mix it up more as the players got good at their base defense. It can be done and I think Trestman said he would like it to happen.

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