Mock draft post Allen signing

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    Grizz, while I agree w/the idea of not getting a full time starter at 14 isn't ideal and actually pretty bad idea(it's why I'm against a DT/DE as opposed to DB b/c they'll be sitting in a rotation rather then potentially starting), ILB's traditionally, and escpecially this year, do not fair well in the NFL outside of the mid first. And for a guy that stand a GOOD chance of seeing playing time this year ala Bostic last year, you'll end up w/more of a Kasheem Greene player then Bositc, player going into round 2-6; and Bostic wasn't very good to begin with.

    I know a lot of FANS haven't given up on Bostic in the middle, but Emery is looking at him as a OLB first, so that means ILB is still a very large need.

    Im all for DB/DL/ILB at 14, as long as they are the top ranked of that position on the board, I'd say highest rated on the big board but I've come to expect Emery to give a shit less about anyone elses big board but his, which is also why I tend to stay away from the obvious choices like Donald.
     
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    So here are the reviews I'm reading about Mosely:

    http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=3353

    C.J. Mosley, OLB, Alabama
    In today's NFL, it is not common for a 4-3 OLB prospect to receive much attention as a potential first round pick, but Alabama's C.J. Mosley may be the best prospect at his position and he could've come out during last year's draft. Mosley is an all-around, versatile prospect with excellent size and athleticism.
    Shows great discipline in staying on his reads and driving to the football in his lane. Fantastic run defender. Downhill style of play. Explosive closing burst. Not a huge hitter, but an effective wrap-up tackler. Tremendous range against running backs. Can make plays from sideline to sideline. Must improve his ability to deflect off of offensive linemen. Will get eaten up by bigger blockers. Usually does well to dig into blocker's chest with inside shoulder while keeping outside shoulder free.
    Above-average coverage skills and can hold his own dropping back into zones. Can rush the passer and loves to play aggressive. Will get his hands up and active in passing lanes. Not a natural edge rusher, but times his jump off the line well. Moves very well on the field with few false steps. At his best when staying aggressive. Should be an excellent weak-side LB.
    Mosley projects as a first round pick in the 2014 NFL Draft

    FFToolbox calls him an OLB, but then says he can play sideline to sideline which is what you want in an ILB

    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=110707&draftyear=2014&genpos=OLB

    02/20/14 - 2014 NFL Draft Scout Pre-Combine Top 64 Prospects: 16. C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama, 6-2, 232, 4.65, 1...Leader of the Crimson Tide's suffocating defense, Mosley is highly regarded in the scouting community and could end up as a top 10 pick in May. Says NFLDraftScout.com senior analyst Rob Rang: "Tough and athletic, with the keenest instincts of any linebacker I've scouted since Lofa Tatupu, Mosley is constantly around the ball and is often making big plays as a result." - Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange

    03/22/14 - 2014 Pro Days: Alabama's Mosley runs well, Kouandjio holds off...After not running his 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine, senior LB C.J. Mosley ran for scouts and head coaches on Wednesday at Alabama's pro day. He clocked times in the 4.65-4.72 range and also looked “fluid” and “loose” in positional drills, according to those in Tuscaloosa for the workout. Mosley ranks as NFLDraftScout.com's No. 1 ILB in the 2014 NFL Draft and has been a mainstay in mock drafts dating back to the summer. He said he made the “right decision” by not running at the Combine due to a sore hip and knee and waiting until Wednesday's pro day, but his injury history is what could keep him out of the top-20 picks on draft weekend. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com

    NFLdraftscount says the biggest issue is not his talent but the inj concern, which if they passed on him is why I would understand.


    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/3/18/5468740/c-j-mosley-2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report

    Final word
    Where Mosley falls in the draft will likely depend on positional value. Teams don't value middle linebackers too highly. Still, he grades out as one of the 10 best players in this class. Few players are better at their position than Mosley is at inside linebacker. Furthermore, no inside linebacker in this class is even close to Mosley. He should make an impact as a rookie in the NFL.


    SBNation thinks he's a top 10 player but thinks he falls b/c teams don't value ILB's highly anymore/.


    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rt-nfl-outlook-for-alabama-outside-linebacker

    Overall
    The lack of NFL success from recent Alabama defenders shouldn’t scare teams off from C.J. Mosley as long as his medical exams come back with a passing grade.
    Mosley is a true three-down linebacker, which is a must in today’s NFL. His athleticism, football instincts and versatile skill set make him the type of linebacker who can have an impact on a down-by-down basis. Mosley may be most suited as an outside linebacker in a 4-3, but he’s not a bad fit for the inside of a 4-3 or 3-4 and will certainly factor into any team’s nickel package.


    really not sure where you are finding that he's not a good fit at ILB or that he's limited. Just about every SR says that if there weren't inj concerns he's a top 10 pick, Bostic was NEVER that, I think B/R puts it best if his medical exams come back clean he's a good pick.



    Here's the thing though, last week the Pitt GM said there are no "elite" must haves in the mid 1st which is why everyone wants to trade back b/c the quality is in the depth, he said there was only like 5-8 "must have's" this draft, 3 of them wee qb's.
    So any where the Bears go is going to be good, but not "great". The idea that Donald is an "elite" talent or Pryor or Dix for that matter, or Mosely or whoever there it's all false.
    Donald and Dix and Pryor are definately safer, but none are elite, so the team can go anywhere at 14 and they'll get a really good player the same level as the latter 1/2 of the draft, and I think that's probably thte case
     
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    Mosley just sounds alot like Bostic to me. Watched some of his highlights and even his highlights look very similar to Bostic's college highlights. He does the same thing Bostic did in college to make great plays, but hurt him last year in the NFL. This is; using his great athletic ability to turn his shoulders and knife thru or past blocks to come up with big TFL. We saw what happens when you try to out athletic Olinemen in the NFL and you do not play square in the middle.

    Again, I understand the need but I do not think Mosley fits the bill. Combine that with an injury concern and its just not a pick I would touch at 14. I wish there was another option but this year is a very weak ILB class. Likley a high need on the list next May.
     
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    More I've been reading about Mosely, the less I like him at 14. Stock falling due to medical concerns and ???s about if he's really 4-3 MLB material. Fact is, it's a crappy draft for ILBs in general. Don't see any Luke Kuechley's or Kiko Alonso's out there. It seems there are better choices out there for the 1st. I'd rather take the best S prospect than an injured maybe-ILB one.

    How about Shane Skov in the 3rd or so as a depth guy? This isn't the year to draft a MLB starter it seems...
     
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    MP, in that I agree, but again you have to but I just posted 4 scouting reports and none said he wasn't 4-3 material, could someone post where they are reading that?

    The idea that this is a bad ILB draft is a problem and all the more reason that Ogletree should have been taken last year, but it has to be addressed w/a player that has the ability to play, and all the reports I posted says the guy can play.


    Grizz, if you've seen him play and don't think he's the one thats fine, I admitedly don't watch much NFL football, I merely read a lot about the players and make my decisions based on that. I also get what you are saying about Bostic, but like I said above, whoever you get has to be more Bostic and less Greene; Greene was unplayable last year, Bostic was at least servicable, even if he was still bad, and from what I've read and heard Skov/Smallwood aren't even Bostic level of play, and they are the 2nd/3rd best LB's.

    Sadly ILB is a need regardless next year. OLB is probably safe until the mid rounds or will have to again be addressed in FA, Briggs won't be returning leaving the Bears w/Shea/Bostic/Greene and all three might well not work out, Bostic having the best chances of sticking. They won't resign DJ either meaning that whoever is drafted this year HAS to be able to start or at least be a legit backup.

    Honestly I'd still perfer Pryor or Dix, but the reality is Mosely might well be the best fit at the biggest NEED position.
     
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    I get what your saying Ric, and I WANT to like Mosely as a Mike but I just honestly don't see it. I did see 4 or so bama games and he plays like Bostic did in college. I think he will have identical issues adjusting to the NFL at the MIke. Difficulty absorbing a block AND THEN shedding it. Overagressive. With some work and time to adjust could he play Mike, sure. But then again so can Bostic, they just both naturally fit better at Will where they can use their athleticism and explosiveness to set edges, knife through backside and find their way into backfields for big plays. As to the scouting reports we gota take those with a grain of salt. I regoogeled (lol is that a word?) old Bostic scouting reports and they were unanimous at saying he is a 4-3 Mike prospect that could also play Will. Very similar reviews, combine that with injury concerns and I just don't want to touch it. I wish there was a Kucley type guy there but there just isn't. Skov could be the BEST Mike option in this whole draft and that isn't saying very much.
     
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    If there was a a Mike like that he wouldn't be had at 14 this year :) . Again I go back and unless you are in the top 8-10 you are not getting "elite" regardless. Just getting really good so at this point you are just looking at filling holes. The inj concerns are the biggest draw back imo, but we won't have access to the medical records, which could show anything from don't touch to he's fine and a steal.

    Mosley is a better option then Skov if the med records are fine, if not then it's Skov, and no that's a bad consolation prize. The ability to get an ILB was missed last year and the team is now suffering for it. Again go back 10 years and you rarely find top 10 talent ILB's outside of the mid 1st, those athletes just don't make it into the 2nd. There is a reason Bostic dropped.
     

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