No Need To Hesitate; Time To Move Forward With Clausen.....

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  1. MPbears68

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    There's no urgency to call off the competition. I'm assuming Clausen will win it for the reasons mentioned but let's not be premature.

    Figuring it will be Pickles, God I hope we won't waste a roster spot on Fales. If he doesn't clear waivers to get to the PS or gets signed off during the season, then so be it, no loss. 6th round "drafted backup QBs" (Emery's description btw) are available every year for cheap. Palmer will be available as the emergency "call back" option. Just cut Fales, he was a dumb pick (understandable before we were able to sign Clausen) just like Enderle was.

    I hate drafting late round trash QBs because it's not like they can contribute on STs while "developing" and occupying a roster spot that could otherwise actually ADD DEPTH. I love Phil Emery but here's a hint for the future: don't draft any more QBs that you don't foresee actually becoming an eventual starter.
     
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    Clausen is a clear cut choice at number 2 imo. He has more talent, a stronger arm, more poise in the pocket and is 4 years younger than Palmer. Even though he has only played 1 preseason game by making him the clear front-runner for the backup job to Cutler they can see how he reacts when he is placed in the "spotlight" so to speak. If he responds well then keep him as backup, and if this lights a fire under Palmer's ass and he responds well it will create competition between the two, and hopefully they raise their play even more.
     
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    Oh, how I luv competition music to my ears. People earn a positions that deserve it what a F'n concept. Thank God we finally have real coaches with the chi-town Bears. What this tells FA's when they look over at Bears is "hey they give you legitimate shot" while those other teams luv their grab ass protocol.
     
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    All true but what writer doesn't do that. That's always my biggest problem with them. I think the part about the it being a virtual knockout and "call the fight off" is a little too strong still, as I posted, the handwriting is already on the wall.

    The part of the article that rings true to me and therefore why I posted it is that just eyeballing them DOES indicate that Clausen is the significantly better passer, has a better arm and he's also more mobile. That much most anyone could see just by watching so Ross Reads point is no great revelation. I think we knew that much about them even before camp started much less a preseason game appearance by both.

    I'm not in favor of releasing Palmer at all. In fact if we can find any way to keep him on the roster I'd do that too because he'd make a good bench coach for both of them. I'm just not as worried about losing Fales on waivers as some are. He's nowhere near ready to be a #2 so no matter where he goes he sits or ends up inactive. He can't refuse a waiver claim but he can refuse once he's on our PS if he's willing to stay and if he does and he develops there's a good chance he could be our #2 in a couple of years.

    I'm not in favor of keeping Fales on the roster just to have him sit inactive for 16 games when we could be using that spot for depth elsewhere and if we lose him on waivers they'll be another David Fales along next year too.
     
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    Resuscitating the Clausen/Palmer competition in 3...2...1

    It's a tale of two tapes here. Game 1 Palmer looked very focused and a little stiff. Despite this subjective impression of his performance, he statistically ended the game doing relatively well 8/11 104 yards, 1TD 1INT. Additionally, he was able to execute the playbook efficiently and gathered poise despite the lack of protection offered up by a beleaguered O-Line missing starters Kyle Long and Jordan Mills, even missing backup Brian De la Puente. Despite these obstacles he was efficient.

    Conversely, Clausen in his 3rd team start, looked "comfortable" and athletic on the field. 7/11 150 yards 2TDs and 0 int. He delivered the ball with accuracy and zip, demonstrating his superior arm strength and his movement inside and out of the pocket was shifty but focused on play making. His flashes of success in this game were against a 3rd team defense that was struggling and a 3rd team line that was holding up to pressure in a way far superior to that of the 2nd string OL.

    In game 2, Palmer looked the part of the seasoned vet and Clausen looked angry and humbled. Palmer picked the ball up with the 3rd team offense against the Jags third team defense and executed his play and reads very well. He was an efficient passer, a sharp decision maker, and a poised presence on the field. Statistically he wasn't impressive in this game, but he led the offense to two scoring drives to secure the teams eventual victory. His two touchdowns weren't through the air and as such they don't statistically matter for the purposes of creating a higher passer rating, but for those who watched him lead the offense, it was done well and it was clear he was in command. His passing efficiency and poise allowed the running game to open up and provided rookie Kadeem Carey with a chance to meet pay dirt. Palmer was 6/9 for 73 yards with 0 TDs and 0 ints in this outing.

    Clausen's poise was stripped away from him in facing the Jaguars D. He looked the opposite of comfortable on the field or on the sideline. Instead he looked frustrated and bitter. The stat sheet shows a high completion percentage with an asterisk interception (it was a great defensive play - not necessarily a bad ball). He was 11/15 for 94 yards 0 TDs 1 int. In this game it was Clausen who felt the defensive pressure getting sacked and hurried a couple of times despite playing his first series behind the starting line and subsequent series behind a 1/2 blend. Overall, his arm still looked good. He made some poor decisions and got away with a couple but for the most part he looked decent.

    At this point the QB Rating between the two backup competitors is:
    Palmer: 93.12
    Clausen: 100.89 177 14 20

    However, it is much closer than those numbers suggest since Palmer, once again, led the 3rd team offense on two scoring drives that were capped off with short yardage TD runs they could have been pass plays just as easily which would have elevated his QB rating to either 128.57 (2TDS) OR 112.79 (1TD) in which case Palmer would look the part of the more efficient QB on paper.

    I think the job is still Clausen's at the moment. He is more athletic. He has a bigger arm. He is more confident in his play style and is able to adjust on the fly expediently. Palmer is VERY close behind him though. Palmer is more of a game planner who follows directives and plays smart ball. He isn't going to take many unneeded risks. He'll take the short pass for minimal gains as opposed to risking a pass into double coverage or risking a sack to wait for the coverage to clear. He'll fold up rather than get banged up when he's exposed. I actually think he is more of a prototypical game planning Trestman quarterback than Clausen. That might win him the job.

    Trestman and Kromer are in a tough spot. With the 3rd game coming up in which Cutler will get a ton of reps. they might have to choose who there #2 is this week. Without a decisive victor, this could be difficult and be based less on evidence than expectation and gut.

    The benefit of this is both boys are good back-ups and I think we've kept strong at that position despite losing McCown.
     
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    pretty good comparison. I pretty much see it the same way. The gap closed a little last week. I still think it will be Clausen, but Palmer was the one to score....
    No way to tell, but I still think Clausen. I'm starting to think either can do it. Given complete equality, you have to give it to the younger guy.
     

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