POLL: How good of a defense do you think we need to get a Super Bowl win?

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How good of a defense do you think we NEED to get a Super Bowl win?

  1. JustAnotherBearsFan99

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    This is not asking how good of a defense you WANT here in Chicago, but rather, how good of a defense do we NEED to win a Super Bowl? We've gone from being focused on defense under Lovie Smith, to a focus on offense under Marc Trestman. Lovie never could figure out the other side of the ball. Obviously Trestman's team is D.O.A. until he figures out how to build a defense. But just how good of a defense do we need?
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    I voted top 10, but the real answer is "It depends on how good your offense is". You can get by with top 10 if your O is top 5. You can't if your O is top 15. Take a look at these 4 teams still in the playoffs. How good a defense do you think you need to stop them --- or a more accurate question --- how good a defense do you think you need to be able to be pretty sure that you can allow your offense the margin to win above what the opponents are capable of putting on the scoreboard.

    It is the combination that matters. If your D is a sieve (like ours), then your O needs to be able to score on almost every possession (because any of these four teams could do it to our D). If our D is extremely stout, then our O only needs to be able to score more points against their D than their O can against our D.

    The two together determine how strong either unit needs to be, as well as the strengths and weaknesses of your opponent. So, a generic answer is tough. With these 4 teams that are in the playoffs, your D better be pretty good.
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    Good points. Here are the top-10 defenses in this year's regular season:

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    Seattle Seahawks
    Carolina Panthers
    San Francisco 49ers
    New Orleans Saints
    Cincinnati Bengals
    Kansas City Chiefs
    Arizona Cardinals
    Miami Dolphins
    Indianapolis Colts
    New England Patriots
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    yes, and three out of those 10 are in the finals. Saints, Colts, Chiefs, Bengals, Panthers were also in the playoffs. Add the three still in it, and you have 8 out of 10 were a top defense. The Broncos are still in it because of Manning, but it is doubtful that they can stop Brady, so their D may lose them that game. Manning is capable of a shootout against anyone, but if NE stops him more than they stop Brady, they lose.
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    In 2012 we were #5 against the rush. That vanished in one year of training camp.

    That tells you somthing right there. Other teams didnt fall off that much.

    Thats about coaching.
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    It "needs" to be as good as can be made, within the alloted cap space. We now have what I have feared: just a polar opposite of Lovie: Good D/Bad O now it's Good O/Bad D. If we can just be in the top 12 to 10 in both O and D I think that gives us the best opportunity to be a consistent success.
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    a defense that is at least servicable
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    A 2012 BEARS DEFENSE ... or better yet ... a 2014 BEARS DEFENSE !!

    If Halas Hall doesnt see this shit thru ... sombody needs to be fired.
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    1985 Bears defense. Hands down.
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    The recent Super Bowl winners have had opportunistic defenses with good/great pass rush. I don't think that's a coincidence when paired with a very good/explosive offense.

    Also, I laughed when I saw the Colts as a top ten D.
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    Bears lost a lot of close games. They just need a defense that will do enough to keep the team in the game. They need the opposite of what they had in 2005, 2006. Then they needed an offense who would not throw the game away because the defense would do enough to win.
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    Check it out Benji ... a few simple key changes to make the past pertinent.
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    yeah. A marginally good D would have gotten them into the post season. A marginally good defense would have gotten them killed against any of the last 4 teams in the playoffs.
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    We definitely need a top 10 defense. But I just dont see it happening with Tucker. Our defense was just ridiculously bad.

    2012 - Bears Defense
    #5 in YPG(Yards per game)
    #4 YPP(yards per play)
    #3 Pts/Game

    2013 - Bears Defense
    #32 YPP
    #31 Pts/Game
    #30 YPG
    Even with injuries, thats an insane drop off.
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    With the "O" that Emery and Trestman have put together, a top 10 "D" would certainly be enough to go to the S.B.
    Special Teams need to be taken into account as well.
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    Yes, we don't need a top 5 D with this O, but IMO we still need a top 10 D to have a real shot at the SB
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    now name the players from last year and this year.

    +Peppers(was on the verge of to old last year, was this year)
    Wootton at DT, not DE
    +Peae played hurt most the year
    +Shea was a starter,
    No Izzy and his replacement retired
    No Briggs a good portion of the year
    No Urlacher, and his replacement hurt
    No Roach, and his replacement actually outplayed him
    +Jennings
    No Tillman most the year
    +Major Wrong
    + Chris Conte

    6 out of 11 almost 50% turnover and only 2 key players were there for the season(Jennings/Peppers)

    So you are comparing last years D to this last years D when there is no comparision to be made.
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    I'm fine with the primary focus/importance being changed from defense to offense, when we let Lovie go and hired Marc Trestman. I just don't want to see us go from one extreme (really bad offense) to the other extreme (really bad defense). There has to be a "sweet spot" in the middle where the team weakness, is not too weak. I just want a defense that can do an above average job. If our offense becomes what I think it can be, then the defense can be top-10ish, and we're good to go for being a solid team. I think we can then challenge Green Bay for supremacy in the division, and when we do go back to the playoffs again (it seems like it's been forever since we've been there), we can actually compete well with the playoff teams.

    I'm hoping Emery and Trestman know what they are doing with the defense in general and with retaining Mel Tucker in particular. If they whiff here on Tucker, then we've lost another year. And those years of not making the playoffs & mediocre Bears teams, add up so futility. I'm sick of it.
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    Im thinkin the 2015 season ... BUT I have seen more from a team (s) in order to turn it around fast.

    Seattle and Frisco come to mind. We have every right to be in that catagory.
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    I don't think the intent was to go from one extreme to the other, the problem came in their over valuation of their depth guys and their D misses in the draft(which Emery now admits to), and age finally creaping up on them, and of course it goes w/out saying inj.

    Emery told us the D is going to get younger, say bye to guys like Tillman and Peppers, Anderson while I think he deserves to be re signed probably won't be b/c of the glut at OLB. DJ, while I think they do resign him to another 1 yr deal, it's probably not going to happen in reality either he's 31, that's not getting younger. Chances are they drop out of 14 and probably grab another 2nd or 3rd pick just to help also. A draft guy was on the score, and he said in the 20 years he's done this he's never graded so many quality players in the draft; even last year he had a hard time grading quality through the 7th and this year he's got well past 32 7th round graded players.
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