Potential Vet FA Prospects for the #2 QB Spot..............

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  1. soulman

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    Should the Chicago Bears sign a veteran quarterback?
    By Lester A. Wiltfong Jr.@wiltfongjr on Apr 4 2014, 12:06p 76
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    The Chicago Bears are relatively thin behind starting quarterback Jay Cutler. Should they kick the tires on a veteran free agent or are you comfortable with their current situation?

    Last season back up quarterback Josh McCown benefited greatly from the teachings of Chicago Bears head coach Marc Trestman, and the talented offense of the Bears. He parlayed his success into a nice fat contract and a starting gig in Tampa Bay.

    Odds are the Chicago Bears will need to utilize the back up QB at some point in 2014. Starting QB Jay Cutler hasn't completed a 16 game season since 2009, missing one game in 2010, six in 2011, one in 2012, and five last year.
    The current #2 QB is journeyman Jordan Palmer, who has only attempted 15 passes in the NFL since 2008, yet some Bears fans are 100% positive he'll be fine if pressed into action. Some point to the success from McCown last year as their main point of contention, but McCown had 33 starts under his belt before 2013. McCown's career was far more accomplished than that of Palmer.

    The current #3 QB for the Bears is 25 year old Jerrod Johnson who has never seen NFL regular season action. He has thrown 23 passes in the preseason, but I don't believe the Bears are expecting him to compete for the #2 job.
    Drafting a developmental guy at some point is on the table, but I think I'd trust Palmer over a late round rookie.
    Unless Phil Emery surprises everyone and drafts a QB early, I think the best bet for some legit back up quarterback competition comes from free agency.

    Of course there's no rush on adding a guy. Trestman could work with Palmer through the off season program and make a determination after that. As of right now Trestman seems confident that Palmer could grow into the role. He also detailed what he's looking for in a number two.

    "The No. 1 job of the No. 2 quarterback is to be ready to play and to play well," coach Marc Trestman said last week at the NFL Annual Meeting, per the Chicago Tribune. "... The best term is he has to go in and play efficiently. He can't turn the ball over. He's got to live for the next play."

    Trestman also harped on the fact that he wants his backup to be an asset in the quarterback's meeting room, where McCown excelled. If they do decide to bolster the position here are a few players that could be available.

    Rex Grossman - How neat would it be for Rex to come back for a Chicago cameo? Rumors are prevalent that he may end up in Cleveland.

    Jimmy Clausen - He was the QB of the future in Carolina before they drafted Cam Newton.

    Brady Quinn - He's played for 5 teams, with the latest being the St. Louis Rams last season.

    Seneca Wallace - Wallace has a lot of experience, and he was the #2 in Green Bay last year.

    Kevin Kolb - When last we saw Kolb he suffered a concussion, and it's speculated he may be forced to retire, but he seems intent on playing again.

    Josh Freeman - Freeman probably has the most upside of all the available free agents, but he turns the ball over quite a bit. Plus he may be pricing himself out of some teams' plans.

    What are your thoughts on the position? Are you content with Palmer as the #2? Would you like to see a veteran added to the mix or would a rookie make the most sense to you?
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    With due credit to our friends over at WCG I offer this list of available vet FAs who might be brought in for tryouts as potential prospects to challenge Jordan Palmer. Colt McCoy is no longer on the list having been signed by Washington this past week.

    Oh boy, not a very impressive bunch is it? :(
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    Agreed Soul. Here is the complete list of veteran FA QBs (according to the NFL free agency page).

    Jimmy Clausen
    Matt Flynn
    Josh Freeman
    David Garrand
    Rex Grossman
    Tavaris Jackson
    Jon Kitna
    Kevn Kolb
    Brady Quinn
    Rusty Smith
    Seneca Wallace

    I didn't realize that Kitna was still listed as an active player. Thought he retired a few years ago.
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    Out of those candidates, bring back Sexy Rexy
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    What about Tavaris Jackson? I was reading that he may re-sign with Seattle but his career stats don't look bad. And it looks like he is still unsigned.

    Younger than Rex. Better physical characteristics.
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    If Trestman can make a productive backup out of any of those guys on that list, he's got my respect. That list sucks. And I am actually being serious when I say I would take Tebow over any one of those guys. High effort that needs help with mechanics and at least can get you some yards on the ground. No one impresses me much, including Tebow.
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    Yeah, if there is good value at any point in the draft for a potential qb2 or guy to at least push Palmer, pull the trigger. Only guy I remotely liked was McCoy and he was no trophy. He's gone now too though.
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    We'll have to see what happens at QB. I don't have a favorite in that list. But if you look at McCown's career statistically before Trestman, he really sucked as well.

    If Trestman sees something in one of those guys, so be it. Hopefully, the QB whisperer strikes again!
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    I definitely agree. McCown would have been right in there with anyone on that list. As I say, I'd actually like to see Tebow. I didn't think there would be a time that I would think he was a good idea, but if there is one, it's probably now. Give him a try and if Tretsman doesn't see what he wants out of him, then he's gone before the season starts.
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    Trestman was working with Tebow before he (Trestman) came to the Bears. I read somewhere that it was to help Tebow prior to the 2010 draft. Since Marc already has exposure to Tebow, I assume that Tebow would be here by now if Marc thought Tebow a viable option for us at QB.
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    Trestman is a qb whisperer, not the qb messiah, lets not get out of control here.
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    I thought about that. However, with McCown here, he had no reason to bring him over. Now the situation has changed and Tebow is working in the media. Not sure if he just thinks Tebow is a bad choice or just because getting him just may not be worth the hassle given the situation.
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    Lol, that's funny and true as well. No thanks to the Tebow thing.
    That's a pretty crappy list of vet backups there none of whom are of much interest to me. If you put a gun to my head and made me pick one, I suppose I'd choose Rex but I'd do so gagging a bit. I really think from all that we know about Palmer (his size, a year in the system, Trestman seems to like him, etc) that he's the guy we are gonna end up with at #2. We need a QB in the late draft or maybe even udfa to be the #3.
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    Of that list I'd take Freeman over all of them...and cry myself to sleep at night.
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    LOL, Freeman on paper is probably the best choice in terms of athletic upside and "untapped potential". Problem is, the guys has sucked bad everywhere he's started. He's reputed to have a crappy work ethic, he's a turnover machine, and his accuracy blows. McCown doesn't have much of an arm either but at least the guy was a diligent student of the O and could throw an accurate short-to-medium range ball. I'd give Freeman a shot on a cut-able contract only if he blows in PS.
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    have you seen rex play? I know CHICAGO told you he studied hard, but IF he did, he didn't learn much from it, and his last few years in DC/HOU were turrible! The fact that he ever started was embarassing. Rex just is not a guy that can come in cold and be ready to play.

    The rest of the list isn't even worth brining up, of the 2 I'd take my chance w/the lottery ticket I've not scratched off, over the one I have, even if I do know the odds of hitting are 1 in a billion.
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    Yeah, that list is kind of like choosing whether you want to die by drowning or die by fire. Every option sucks.

    Green Bay kinda had the same situation last year when Rodgers went out. Wallace, Tolzien, and Flynn all blow. Let's face it, McCown was a huge exception last year, most 2nd string QBs suck. There isn't even enough competent 1st stringers to go around.

    You gotta get really lucky with either a draft pick or a vet to have a 2nd string QB who doesn't lose you games.
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    And honestly McCown played WAY over his head, and even then when you watched him play it didn't make you feel anywhere NEAR as confident in him as when you looked at his stats.
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    He definitely got away with a few throws that should have been picked, no doubt, that made his stats look better. Alshon bailed him out with some great TD catches too. You're right. Instead of 13-1 TD/INT ratio it could easily have been 10-5 which is still decent for a #2.

    But he did a great job of mastering the offense and staying within his limits in general I would say. He played "smart" which mitigated his lack of athletic prowess. IOW, I would call it "he played over his arm by using his head". If Trestman can coax something reasonably similar out of Palmer, that's about the best we can hope for.

    Let's face it, like it or not, the O rests on Cutler going forward. He got his big money, multi-year deal and he's the starter for the next three seasons barring something bizarre changing that. If he's ever going to win a SB, this is his last realistic shot coming up. He has now a competent OL and a great cast of weapons. Emery is doing his damnest to shore up the D. Cutler has to step his game up another notch in years 2-4 of Trestman's O. That means staying healthy and improving his ball security.

    Stated this before, I have no problem with Jay's ceiling of play. He has the talent and the arm strength. We have all seen him lead clutch drives and make great throws. My complaint has been with his floor. Cutler needs to RAISE HIS FLOOR. He's gotta avoid "Bad Jay" games where he melts down and turns the ball over 2,3,4 times.

    A "bad game" for Rodgers is when he throws 2 picks, one of which is often on his receiver. A bad game for Cutler has generally been 3 picks and a sack-fumble. Jay's biggest stumbling block IMO is that he needs to make his bad games less bad and hopefully less often too.

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