Should the Chicago Bears Let Go of Jay Cutler?

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  1. Bearsinhouston

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    man Ric, I've never been impressed by McCown, but the man really clicks in this offense. He put up a lot of yards even in defeat yesterday. We did not lose because of McCown. We lost because of no D and an undisciplined team that got penalized at the worst time. Although I know there are many others that SHOULD be better than McCown (and I still can't figure out why he is so good either), but the reality is that the guy is doing very well. Why take a known good thing, take it away and roll the dice? I'm not for that strategy. We can do any number of things with QBs, but I'd say whatever we do. McCown needs to be in the plan as well.
     
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    McCown lead O has not score more then 24 points w/out the D giving him free points. That is not enough to win games agianst good teams, backup or otherwise.

    No we didn't lose b/c of McCown yesterday, not even close, but we also wouldn't have won even w/a decent D effort(uner 24-28 points given up). And that is a problem.

    And he turned the ball over 2 times at the end of the game, ya it was already over but he still turned the ball over twice, so he didn't have a great game by any means. Then again no one did.
     
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    Huh?

    The game was utterly and completely OVER by the time "McCown's turnovers" took place. I put that in quotes because the first was a jailbreak blindside strip sack he had no chance on and the 2nd was a fine slant pass that the DB ripped out of Jeffery's hands. Neither TO impacted the game's outcome in even the slightest way (other than dragging down McCown's QBR stats). The O supporting cast had completely quit by that point already. The game was over the moment the pathetic D couldn't get a stop and let yet another no-name RB march the whole field for a TD late in the 4th in what was then only a one-score game. McCowns "turnovers" were A) completely garbage-meaningless beyond stats alone and B) 90% on someone else.

    When it mattered--when the game was still reachable--when they was still a glimmer of hope that maybe just maybe the D could get a key stop or a takeaway--McCown was something like 32 for 41, 320 yrds, 2 TDs, and a QBR of 130.

    I don't know what else you could possibly ask your backup QB to do....what???

    Points? Lets see on that one.
    Stupid penalties erased 14 of them and Trestman's ongoing brain fart follies from inside the 5 (where he seems to struggle mightily as an offensive manager) cost 7 more. If not for the Rams giving us like 10 shots at it with penalties, we probably would have left that last TD on the field too. Lets not forget Michael Bush dropping a pass wide open that he could have crawled into end zone with too. None or very, very little of that was on McCown.
     
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    I guess we are going to have to see this differently.

    "McCown set a franchise record with 36 completions in the game, but threw his first interception of the season with 1:25 left. He completed 36 of 47 passes for 352 yards and two TDs. His passer rating was 102.4."

    That is not a rookie or backup QB record. That is a record for the Chicago Bears since the inception of pro football. He threw one interception and threw for 352 yards and two TD's. There were a couple he should have gotten if not dropped. His QB rating was 102.4

    I'd say he did extremely well. And close to walking on water for a BU. He did not lose us this game. The game was lost by allowing the Rams (who don't scare too many teams) to march up and down the field at will and by us having to leave several TD's on the table because of dumb penalties. You count in the scores that were negated by penalties and you stop even one of those Rams TDs by some semblance of a defense and it's a different game. No QB can throw and catch the ball at the same time. McCown more than did his job Ric. The D just allowed easy yardage. The Rams just are not all that good. An average D would have stopped at least two of those drives and not allowed as many run yards.

    I keep thinking about it, but for me it was in fact the D and the penalties. We can talk about coaching decisions, but while they factor into any game, the big two were D and penalties.
     
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    A good starting QB, or a good backup like McCown, can win games when the rest of the team does their part. A great QB finds away to put the game on their shoulders and win it despite the rest of the team playing like crap.

    The question I would ask is this: "Can Cutler fit this definition of great?"
     
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    That's a trick question, right?
     
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    What do you think? ;)
     
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    THAT's a trick question
     
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    A lot of you guys are giving WAY too much credit to Josh McCown, and not enough to, oh I don't know, maybe the best quarterback coach and WR tandem in the league. If Trestman can create an efficient offense with McCown, he certainly can with Cutler. I'm also not interested in anyone's opinion who discounts the fact that Cutler has had 3 horrible offensive coordinators here, MANY horrible offensive linemen and WR's that would be a #3 at best, on another team, as reasons for why Cutler's mechanics have regressed over his time here. You cannot look at a player as if he's in a vacuum.
     
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    I think rather than discounting Trestman, the discussions happening around McCown are more due to controversy on McCown. I think pretty universally on the board (am I wrong?), most posters acknowledge that none of this would be happening without Trestman. So Trestman is a given. No reason to argue about that. McCown, it seems to me is more meaningful (in terms of discussion) because there is controversy in his value and his ability to win. There is even controversy in terms of whether or not to keep him (which I don't understand).

    Have you seen any posts advocating that Trestman is not able to develop QBs or that he needs to go? That's why not many discussions on Trestman. No controversy except maybe in some of his decisions, but no one is ready to throw out the baby with the bath water.
     

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