So What's The Book On Peppers?..............

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  1. mdbearz

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    I remember when we got him initially there was a couple people from Carolina that came on the other board and said that he seemed to simply disappear in for games at a time.

    Well, I would say until last year that was complete hogwash. Well, it seems like he disappeared for about 15 games last year and I'm not sure at his age, and his cost that there is really any way that I want him back.
     
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    JABF, I fully agree that Pep had a disappointing season that was well below what we have come to expect from him. We can debate the reason(s) why that was till the cows come home (age? effort?) but admit that he had ZERO help on the DL after about week 3. He was the only competent DL we had out there the entire rest of the season especially since Paea was out or hobbled by injury an awful lot (at least until Ratliff got going very late). Peppers, even 2103 Peppers, is light years better a DE than Shea, its not even close. Shea was a massive liability against the run (notice how every opponent ran right at him and away from Pep every week). Shea also generated little pass rush other than one game in GB when he got a couple garbage sacks. Peppers wasn't his usual great by any means but he was by far the better overall rusher.

    Who do want to spend the money on in FA to replace him at RDE? There's no draft replacement there in the first except Clowney who doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of making it out of the top 5. Just picking your brain here. I understand the valid motivations to walk away from Pep, not disputing their existence, just wondering what the alternatives are. We have ZERO starting DEs on the roster if they cut JP.
     
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    exactly, ive been saying that from midseason, im dissapointed in him, a whole lot
     
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    So what is everyones plan that does not want Peppers. Its easy to say sign a Bennett but how much is that gonna really cost. 8 million in dead money.. I know 4 million a yr. yeah its 8 million in dead money and 8 million for Bennett who may or may not get the 10 sacks Peppers will get. So now we spent 16 million and replaced Peppers with hopefully somebody who is equal. Oh yeah we still need CB, DT, SS, FS, ILB, Another starting DE, back up QB, back up DT, Back up safeties. Not sure home many CB's we got now but may need more than one of them also. So somebody explain to me how cutting Peppers rather than restructuring accomplishes all of those needs. Keep track of your cap spending while your at it.
     
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    All good points regarding the predicament we're in. Early in the season I came unglued here and defended Peppers play to the people who dared to insinuate the guy was dogging it out there. I couldn't fathom that he was taking games off. We're not talking about taking PLAYS off, but entire GAMES off.

    But then I went back and watched his play more closely and had to admit the Julius Peppers we'd seen play for the Bears in past years - just wasn't on our team anymore.

    How much do you pay for this present version of Julius Peppers?

    I'm not saying we're going to draft a "pre-2013 Peppers" to replace the guy. But we can draft a guy who will play day-1, better than the 2013 version of Peppers. And he will cost a ton less. We will have opportunities to spend that money that we save at other positions of need. Yes, I get it that we're in bad shape on defense (an understatement for sure). But that's where we find ourselves now. It's a damned shame the team was allowed to get to this point.
     
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    Fair enough.

    We will know a lot about the Peppers situation after FA starts here soon. He's under contract, a way too big one, but under contract nevertheless. He's not going anywhere until/unless the Bears release him. So, Emery has two choices as far as I can see. He's either chances that he can keep him at a tolerable renegotiated cap number or he must sign a FA DE. The Bears can't go into the draft with zero starting DEs on the roster. Either way (Pep or a FA), they will have to draft one in rounds 2-3 to be the LDE and/or bring Wootton back.

    If he signs a FA, Pep is 95% cut IMO. If he doesn't, he probably stays somehow. It's no secret that DE and SS are Emery's two biggest needs in FA. He's gonna have to pull off another Bennett/Bushrod gambit in 10 days.
     
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    It would be nice if we draft a great D stud and if a Peppers contract could be restructured that the drafted stud could rotate with Peppers and learn a few tricks. Hell it would be nice if Peppers could retire a Bear but it seems highly unlikely. The kind of pressure that would be placed on a Ealy, Donald, Nix or whoever we draft could be too much for a rookie to "Bear" hahha I make a pun
     
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    Time to cut.
    I knew this time would come when we signed him for that ridiculous contract. We way overpaid and robbed Peter (the future) to pay Paul (past). The only way Lovies Defense could work was with Pro-Bowlers all around, and He and Angelo were willing to pay, knowing that they would not likely have to live with the end problems.

    Don't get me wrong, Pep was a stud for us the first few years, but he was NEVER worth the money he got paid with this contract. Last year he was a disappointment, but he really didn't have a great year in 2012 either.

    Time to cut ties and move on. With some addition restructuring, the Bears could have over $40 mil in Cap space and could have plenty to sign a couple of key peices on D to go along with a solid draft.
     
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    Here's a reality check. Pep's cap hit is over $18 million dollars this coming season. His cap hit is over $20 million dollars the next season. It is utter madness to spend that kind of money on a guy loafing through the season. His cap hit is going to cost over $2,000,000.00 per sack based on last year's production (he had 7.5 sacks).

    Per sack!!!

    Stop the madness. It's time to chunk him out the door. We can do better, and spend a lot less. And we need that money now for players who can play. Pep can't anymore. Here's his contract info LINK.
     
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    Here's another reality check:

    WE HAVE ZERO STARTING DE'S ON THE ROSTER OUTSIDE OF PEP!

    And please don't say Bass or CornWash LMAO. We have NOTHING. NOTHING!!!

    I am well aware of all the negatives involved in the current Peppers contract situation and I sympathize with the idea of not overpaying an aging former star. I got it. We all know that. Just saying you need a replacement in hand before you burn any bridges. If Emery can sign a quality starting RDE (a REAL DE, not a depth guy) in two weeks then I'm sure Peppers will be cut in a New York minute. Until then, he's not going anywhere.
     
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