Sun Times - Jon Bostic in comfort-zone defense

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    C Wash had a good combine and put up numbers similar to Clowney. I realize Clowney was a #1 pick but he only had 2 sacks last year. Some say he protected himself against injury to make the NFL. If thats the case he should have come out last year and not gone back to college. C Wash did not get all the hoopla in college that Clowney got, and I am waiting to see what Clowney does. One or two sacks last year makes me question how he was the #1 pick and all the so called experts calling him a can't miss prospect and the he can be the best ever. I personally believe he will be above average but not live up to his billing.

    So if C. Wash never did it in College and had the work out warrior numbers then I have to wonder what we have in him as well. He was a 6th round pick as a DE which pretty much says he was drafted on potential, which is mostly related to his combine numbers. I would love to see C. Wash learn some moves from Allan, Young and Houston and succeed but I have my questions.

    With the similarities between Clowney and C Wash. why is one off the charts and the other a 6th rounder. Obviously the 1 or 2 sacks Clowney had did not justify his status. I tend to believe somewhere in the middle of the road is where they both will end up. More intriguing still is the fact Clowney will be standing up potentially as a LB in a 3-4. If Clowney turns out to do as well as everyone believe hopefully C. Wash can emulate him as he has the same basic skills. Sounds like we have better coaching potentially in Coach P, and we definitely have better Vets to teach the ropes so if C. Wash and Clowney are similar in size and speed, combine drills, etc. then C. Wash was a steal or Clowney is way over-rated. My best guess is somewhere in the middle, only time will tell.
     
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    BS, it comes in the 2-3 years of college before they declare also; and the level of competition they go against, and if the other team has to actually factor in the potential draftee or if it's the rest of the team they have to worry about.
     
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    I would love to see CornWash turn into a solid starter for us but like you, I am not even confident he will make the roster this year. He should still be eligable for the PS if he does show improvement. This will be very intersting to play out this year.
     
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    I understand that, I am questioning how well Clowney will do at the next level as much as I am questioning how much C Wash will improve. They are so similar and both in the NFL now so both play top talent. So can C. Wash really become as good as they predict Clowney to be, or is Clowney on his way to being a bust compared to his projections. Or does it just come down to who has more heart and going to inflict their will on the opponent.
     
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    At the end of the day that's what limits the Combine, b/c some guys are just better even though they are the same height/weight, lifted the same and ran the same 40, some guys are just better for some reason. Freeney is the size of Dumervil is smaller then SheMc but when he played DE for Denver he was a pass rushing beast. Demarcus Ware, again nearly identical size as SheMc, but again pass rushing monster.

    Guys can have the same physical characteristics as other players but won't play anything like them.
     
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    Regardless of what someone said when I watched Greene he was bloody awful. I expect a rookie to struggle a little understanding the defensive concept when he's thrust into a starting role but at the very least I expect him to be able to execute the fundamentals he should have learned in college. He tackled far worse than either Wright or Conte and one of them is gone and half of Beardom wants Conte hung in effigy.

    As for Washington he was given a roster spot and as horrid as that line played last year he couldn't even manage to get on the field. I'm really not comparing either of these guys to what I would have expected out of higher draft picks but at the very least I expected them to know how to play the game and IMHO neither of then did. In my book those two are already "on the bubble" before camp even begins.
     
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    Exactly...combine results need to be viewed in combination with game tape. Other things measured at the combine can be very important too - arm length, hand size, 3 cone. Not just 40 time and BP. And then coaching will play a big part in how a prospect develops too.

    Corn Wash may have had some numbers similar or better than Clowney at the combine but there is no way he is as agile or fluid as the man. Pure physical freaks without much football ability aren't really that valuable or worth investing the time into unless they are HUGE men like Dontari Poe or Ngata.
     
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    There is so much that goes into playing that position that to sit and watch on your tv you really can't judge. However...if there is one thing Greene can do, it's tackle. He did it well in college. He did over run a lot of plays in college and that continued here. He needs to get stronger...and that will help a lot. As I have repeatedly said, improved d-line play will lead to better linebacker play. Like love and marriage you can't have one without the other.
     
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    Here is another article on the changes to the defense form the Daily Herald. Some of the same stuff as in the Sun Times article be some additional info as well

     
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    Safety Dance???? I can't believe they threw a Men Without Hats reference in there. Pop Goes the World.
     

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