The GM of the Future (Emery) - Bill Barnwell

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  1. Ctree5454

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    Wait a minute...wait a minute...what exactly has Emery done so far? Has he put together a team that can beat the Packers? Did he hoist that SB trophy last year? The jury is still out on his philosophy and vision on how to build a championship team. In fact, as it stands, last year's draft class looks like an absolute bust at this point.

    This dude is getting way too much praise for having done virtually nothing at this point. Shoot last year's team that just missed the playoffs was doing it with practically all ANGELO players. We'll see how things go this year with his guys from last year's draft class and this year's draft class. But as it stands Emery hasn't done better than our previous GM nor has his philosophy been shown to be the wave of the future or even a good one for our franchise.

    And the guy also looks like a pedophile.
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    Good post. I agree with the thinking along these lines...

    However...

    This comment is out of place on these forums. Keep it within the appropriate arena.
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    This has to be voted as one of the dumbest post of the year so far. Emery has been the GM for a little over a year. Damn it takes more the a couple of years to undo all the mistakes Amgelo made over 9 years of trying to be someone he isn't.

    So you think that trying to build a good Offense to go along with a good Defense isn't a good philosophy. So Angelos and Lovies philosophy of building a good Defense while giving the Offense and our QB nothing to work with is the way to go. We were the only team in the NFL that though that our Defense should be the part of the team that scores the points. Yea Angelos philosophy was so great that as of right now we only have four starters on Offense left from his days and not one person as come out and stated that any of our loses on the Offense side of the ball was a major lose to the Bears.

    If Angelo is such a great GM then why hasn't any team even interviewed him to be there new GM, I'll tell you why he sucked at being a GM. A GMs job is to make every effort to put together a winning team, not just a good Defense and ST but a good Offense to go along with them and that is just what Emery is trying to do. Will it happen this year maybe, maybe not but this year at least we are for the first time in years trying to build a team and not just a part of a team.
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    As has already been said, what he has done is changed the status quo....and for most fans that is a huge leap forward even if he only hits on 50% of his moves.

    And honestly, if you are a pessimist, then I'm just wasting my time. I'm not a pessimist, I'm an optimist leaning realist. You, me and every other fan can't say with any certainty what Emery has done effectively. We've all seen too many one hit wonders, slow developing players, and steady eddie's to believe measurement is something that can be done in a year and a half.

    So, what he has done is simple. He brought a new methodology, a new outlook and a new set of standards (on all fronts). If you were happy with Angelo, more power too you, but you are gonna have problems with anyone if that is the case. If you weren't happy with Angelo, then you have to recognize that change can't be measured in a year and a half.
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    I thought the Jets interviewed him???

    With that being said Angelo STUNK as a GM and shouldn't have been given 9 years to drive our Offense into the ground. Remember he destroyed the O-Line, our #1 WR was ROY "Freakin" Williams!, he had to trade for a good QB etc. He made so many dumb moves e.g. reached for Chris Williams etc.
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    JJ-30 you have several posts in the running for dumbest post of the year...


    I think what both of you guys don't realize is that it is quite ridiculous for anyone to be writing any kind of articles celebrating Emery as if anything has even been accomplished by him. He has accomplished nothing. His first draft was a joke. We'll see if his 2nd provides some help right away. How about people write articles about successful GMs. I can accept articles being written about the success of GM's like the ones that GB have had as an example...

    Loki my apologies. Didn't know that comment was out of bounds.
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    Question how long has the GB GM been there and how long has Emery been here. As for last years draft, if you look at Emerys draft this year and then go back and look at last years draft you can see clearly the Lovie had a great deal of input into last years draft. If you say Emery shouldn't have listen to Lovie your 100% right and since Every fired Lovie I am guessing he agrees with this.

    As far as dumb posting go I will give that win to you, you have the lead over most of the other post by a wide margin.
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    Let's try and keep the personal attacks in the proper area.

    If nobody attacks anyone's postings, nobody will feel the need to defend themselves or fight back. FAMILY FRIENDLY please.
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    It's way too early to be passing much judgment on Emery. Even too early for his first draft which I admit, Lovie influenced or not, doesn't look all that great right now especially outside of Jeffery. I think he has made some great (Marshall) and promising (Bushrod, MartyB) moves in the vet market along with a few clunkers (Campbell, Ellis, Rachal) that every GM has when sifting through other teams' rejects.

    I do give Emery a ton of credit for one thing though: he has recognized and attacked the key holes and problems the prior regime either dismissed, de-prioritized, or simply was in denial of. Like the receiving corps, OL, and pathetic O-coaching staff. At least he saw and took on the issues JA had no clue how to handle.
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    The only move he has made so far, that has paid dividends has been the addition of Marshall. What JJ30 doesn't get is that its beyond silly for any writer to be lauding Emery when he hasn't accomplished anything yet. In fact, most of his moves so far and his draft class from last season, are duds. How could someone be so obtuse and write an article suggesting that Emery's philosophy is some how proven when last year's 10-6 team had virtually no contributions from any of his players, with the exception of Marshall? An article like that should be written 3-4 years from now, if Emery's personnel moves, have in fact paid off. So far, only Marshall has paid off. And that first draft class looks awful. But you know how it goes...some people don't like looking at the facts. That 10-6 team from last year was an Angelo team, not a Emery team. This year its going to be more of an Emery team.
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    LOL@ this post. You attack Angelo and post as if last year's 10-6 team had its success due to Emery's players. Marshall is the only addition from Emery last season who made any kind of an impact. All the other guys are Angelo picks and acquisitions. You live in candy land buddy. Emery hasn't proven one thing yet. In fact, the addition of Trestman is either a brilliant move or its one that's going to set this franchise back years...and get us embarrassed for years in head to head competition with the Packers...
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    1st: (Shea) Looks thus far to have been a reach pick or ill-suited to our D scheme. DeCastro or CJones would have been better choices. You expect your first rounder to be more of a three-down player and less of a "specialist".
    2nd: (Jeffery) Has star potential talent-wise and a great work ethic. Excellent pick.
    3rd: (Hardin) Long on athleticism but short on experience. Missed two straight years so needs to get his act together and show something for the future this year to justify his draft status.
    4th: (Rodriquez) Failure, wasted pick.
    5th: traded for Jeffery
    6th: (Frey) PS last year but making a strong push to make the team now as a backup CB. Decent pick.
    7th: (McCoy) Can't expect much here but McCoy turned out to be nothing.

    A below average draft overall thus far IMO. When you throw in the fact the Emery found two udfa immediately afterward who look really promising and should make the team this year (Anderson and Brown), ill give it a C-.

    What Emery has done is recognize and attempt to rectify that which JA/Lovie were either clueless or inept at. I mentioned the specific issues earlier and whether or not you think his moves have been the best, Emery is light years ahead of his predecessor in vision. It's too early to determine "results" yet, but the effort is there. I don't miss the previous regime one bit.

    And the "Angelo team" from last year got to 10 wins because of a defense that had tremendous success taking the ball away & scoring and by beating mostly crap teams in the first half. When we needed just one additional score against a good team (Seattle, Houston) to get a home win, we couldn't get it to save our lives and lost two very winnable games. We needed a new philosophy for sure.
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    Yea but that whole defense is also an Angelo built defense. That wasn't an Emery built defense my friend. I'm not going to go south on Jeffery because I think he's a big time SEC talent. But c'mon...look at the rest of that draft class...unproductive and uninspiring. That can't be argued. Personally, the McClellan pick was embarrassing. We had so many better options available at #1.

    I'm not pessimistic about this year's class because I think he got some serious talent this time around. nd I think Greene will be a stud like Bostic. Big time player potential on those 2 guys.

    Also, how could anyone say Angelo was clueless? I mean he got that Cutler joke that everyone is in love with right? Got Forte. Got Garza, Webb, Bennett, Bush, Wooton, Peppers, Paea, Briggs, Tillman, Conte, Jennings, Wright, Gould & I think I'm missing a few others. So let's not throw Angelo under the bus. I still have not seen one draft pick from Emery become a cornerstone piece of our franchise...
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    JA couldn't draft offensive talent for shit. Forte was the only one who's a true standout. In what 10 years? He couldn't sign it either. He pulled off the Cutler trade and then went to sleep like the guy didn't need any receiving weapons or OL to be successful. We had ONE top15 offense I think in the last decade...one.

    Remember Omiyale? Chester Taylor? Brandon Manuleuma? Roy Williams? Chris Williams? Wolfe? Carimi?

    The whole prior regime--JA, Lovie & his traveling show of useless OCs/positional coaches who couldn't develop a roll of film--absolutely sucked on the offensive side of the ball. And guess what...it isn't the 1980s anymore. You need an offense with a healthy passing game to win consistently in the modern NFL.

    Emery may have misfired on the Shea pick (who knows how much influence Lovie had on that) but he's got a long way to go to be in the same ballpark as JA's ineptitude.
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    Yet he built that defense you laud so much. He brought in the QB that most Bears fans nutswing from. Emery so far has not shown himself to bring any cornerstone pieces through his drafts. Which is why people need to take Emery's balls out of their mouths.
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    PS:

    Webb waxes inconsistently between serviceability and suckitude, Bennett is merely decent (frequently hurt), Garza is journeyman quality, and Bush was signed by Emery after a string of backup power-RB failures by JA. The only true O success JA had was drafting Forte and stealing Cutler in trade from Denver McDummy.

    We have seen what the reasonable ceiling is of "D only" teams and its about 8-10 wins with no playoff appearance.
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    And I'm not crowning Emery at all. Way too soon to know one way or the other. But I will give him an A for effort (on offense especially) and overall an "incomplete with arrow pointing upward".

    JA is still trying to figure out what a left tackle is and how Devin Hester can be made into a "#1 WR".
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    Like I said...where are all these great players that Emery has brought in to take the place of all these 'crap' players that Angelo flooded the team with?

    Trust me when I said this...by season's end...we will know if Emery is a dope or someone who actually knows how to unearth talent.

    The Bears fanbase is not going to put up with this...'it takes time' bullshit. Emery has been sold to the fans as a guy that actually knows how to discover talent and bridge the gap between the Bears & Packers. Bears fans are not going to buy this nonsense if they lose to the Packers twice and to all the good teams on the schedule. He may have gotten a nice 5yr deal, but we will call for his head if things aren't drastically changed in our favor by year 3. And his drafts better start producing players...
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    Angelo couldn't draft for shit in general.

    Regarding McClellan I still think that was a Lovie move because remember he and Tice told Emery the O-Line was fine and Phil trusted them.
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