The Official Flogging Chris Conte Thread.............

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  1. soulman

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    I'll add in here what I did in response to BSB's post about his B/R rankings among his peers.

    According to those rankings in 2013 was the 55th best out 75 and in 2012 the 54th best out of 75. That's obviously not good enough and if he doesn't improve he should be replaced. How much of his 2013 play was affected by the rest of the defense's play and how much is simply his lack of talent I can't accurately say. What I can say though is that he ranked nearly the same in consecutive years and yet many fans perceptions changed from "looks like we finally solved our issues at Safety" to "kill the bastard and kick him to the curb, he sucks". Both perceptions can't be correct can they? No, and they're not.

    The problems in 2012 and prior to 2012 were only resolved if Conte continued to improve his ranking and according to this one analysis he didn't. Of course we don't know how his coaches saw him but I think it's safe to say they're aren't pleased enough to just hand him his job back. But they are pleased enough to give him another shot at improving and that's all he gets. A chance to compete to keep his job. If he does keep it an doesn't improve then let's blame Phil not Conte. Emery is the guy who needs to make certain he upgrades the roster and after last year I'm expecting no less including the play at FS and SS.

    My point all along has been that the kid is under contract and has started 40 NFL games. You don't just discard that until you know you have a better option. He already has a leg up on the competition if he's got it within himself to improve and if not then we'll know we have a better player there this year because what's he's done so far isn't good enough. Somehow we need to get better at Safety and I figure they'll address that even more than they have so we'll see how it works out. But all the talk about he sucks and he needs to go is just idle talk right now. That isn't gonna happen until somebody shows they can do it better.
     
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    I am starting to think they do not put a lot of value in S. Its easy to say he sucks, but obviously he is in the NFL so average to below average as rated 55th best I believe it was. I remember Fencik and Plank and receivers did not want to stretch the field because they would pay a heavy toll. Conte will never put that fear in them. With that said and Emery stating Conte will be competing for the spot only logical conclusion for me is Emery puts less emphasis on the S postion. Thus S will probably not be RD 1 pick.
     
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    This ^^^^^^ (once again - fine post Soul)

    We entered FA and the draft with a ton of holes on the D. We needed an upgrade and depth at almost every position on the defensive side of the ball.

    Emery has done well to date in FA and hopefully we will land at least 3 pretty much instant contributers on the defense in the draft. But even with that we will still have areas that need improvement.

    Conte is not much (if any) of a cap hit. So until we have a surplus of talent at safety he will be around.
     
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    Conte could still turn this around and be a good player for us. The Bears are right in giving him every opportunity to prove himself. It's a similar situation with Shea McClellen - he could turn out to be a good player as a LB for us. Let's be sure before we let guys like this go. We always have players on the bubble like this (all teams do) who should be given an opportunity those first few years to pan out. And a guy can be valuable to the team as a backup. Some may not be stellar starters, but may have value on the depth chart. For every Butkus, Singletary & Urlacher, there are guys like Roach. Guys who will never be stars, but guys we can get some mileage out of.

    We recently went through this with our offensive line. We wanted to give J'Marcus Webb, Chris Williams, Gabe Carimi, Omiyale, Edwin Williams etc etc etc., every benefit of the doubt. Like Conte, some of these guys started a number of games for us. We desperately wanted these guys to pan out. Unfortunately players sometimes don't live up to our hopes. The jury is still out on Conte and Shea. I hope they make good. If not, then in 2015 lets kick them to the curb and move on.
     
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    LOL, I could just see Plank trying to play the way he did today. He'd owe the NFL more money in fines than he made in salary. :bah:

    We had some great Safeties in those days that's true but they also played behind a fearsome pass rush from the DL and the LBs. Conte and Wright looked much better in 2012 when we actually had a pass rush too. Once that disappeared their weaknesses were exposed but you could have played two All Pro Safeties back there last year and with no pass rush and LBs who could plug their gaps and slow down runners even those guys would have struggled to look good. The whole defense sucked bilge water not just the two Safeties.

    Also, guys like Plank, Fencik, Bell and Duerson could intimidate a little better then that any Safety can do know. There was no such thing as a "defenseless receiver" in the 80s' If you came across the middle to catch a pass you were gonna get nailed period whether you caught the ball or not. Those guys could wind up and just launch into receivers. You can't do that today without getting flagged. It's different game today than it was then and IMHO not necessarily a better one.

    One other thing of note is that none of those guys were high draft picks. Fencik was an UDFA WR we picked up from Miami and converted to a Safety, Plank was a 12th round pick, Todd Bell was a 4th round pick, and Dave Duerson was a 3rd round pick. There were quite a few Pro Bowls played in by those guys but was it because they were so good or because the entire team was that good and had the pass rush from hell going for them.
     
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    It's as simple as this, go to youtube and search for "Chris Conte Highlights". There you can see all his awesome plays! (Yeah, I couldn't find any either! lol )
     
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    I'd be fine if he was just a decent backup.....kind of like the "Nick Roach" of the safeties. That would be better than being a complete bust. Same with Shea McClellan. He doesn't have to be Dick Butkus. Just be an asset to the team, even if it's in a backup role. And if these guys don't pan out this year, then kick them to the curb in 2015.
     
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    I want in. Where does one buy bamboo slivers?
     
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    I don't think the current CBA allows the bamboo (or even the boiling oil) thing. But I could be wrong. Maybe an equivalent punishment would be to make them re-watch the defense - the entire 2013 season games *shudder* which for me would be even worse than bamboo under the fingernails and boiling oil thing.
     
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    You're thinking of Deon Ski. He RAN AWAY from a tackle at every opportunity.
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