There are some serious db's that post on espn/chicago

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  1. butkus3595

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    Who's ripping Wooton? And of course 2nd, 3rd, and 4th stringers won't be like Pro Bowlers...thats why they're 2nd, 3rd, and 4th stringers. However, Urlacher was far from a Pro Bowler at the end of his career, and we can argue all day about whether he would have made a difference or not last year. It's a never ending argument because we'll never know. As for Conte...I keep saying it and I'll continue to, he's not as bad as he played this season a. Before last year his arrow was pointing up. You've made every excuse in the book for an experienced All Pro team captain, yet you give a 3rd year player no slack...explain to me how that makes sense? As you said, each player depends on the other to do their job. Conte depends on the guys in front of him to do their jobs(stop the run, pressure/sack the passer) so he can effectively do his job(stop the pass and be the last line of defense on the run). I'll give Conte a pass before I give Peppers a pass. He'll be in camp, and with better talent around him he'll be back to his 2012 self. Lastly...we have a salary cap...we're not signing all those guys.
     
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    1. You are right about not signing all those guys. Not when teams get desperate and will overpay for them. I like Emery's approach, wait and see who is available that is worth the money rather than being hamstrung like the Peppers deal.
    2. Conte, I've heard the same point before. I've seen plays dissected showing why he looked awful getting beat as he was covering from an out of position fellow safety. I can understand that point. To me he looks incredibly thin and fragile out there....yet surprisingly rather durable. I just know that open field tackling is not his strong suit to put it kindly. IMHO I don't see a huge upside to him.
    3. My Posts Title the db's on espn/chicago were all ripping Wooton....had to vent here because I don't have a myface account.

    Urlacher a short point I will make. He did not have an 'over the hill' falling off. Some Bear fan's forget how his prior season. When I saw Major Wright fall on his leg I thought he was done. He avoided surgery, had no camp, didn't play for a couple games to start the season and toughed it out (why so that he could play, he didn't want to sit out like the year of the wrist). He didn't just all of a sudden hit the wall due to age or lack of passion (and I'm not accusing you personally of that but it's been repeated by people who must be too young or senile to know what he'd done throughout his career....that B.S. is so uninformed and overstated). Go to youtube and watch the last game of the year in the waning minutes in Minnesota and you will see why Urlacher went out the way he did. That is my very short point on Urlacher. I'd love to give you my full 2 cents...but don't have the time at this moment. He was a rare breed, committed, passionate and appreciated what it meant to be a Bear.
     
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    On Conte...I've got to disagree. I'm not saying he's the next Ed Reed by any stretch, just that he's better than what he showed this past season, and there were reasons why he looked bad at times that were really out of his control.

    As for Urlacher, again, I was one of his biggest fans. Of the 3 jerseys I own, he's one of them(Payton and Butkus are the other two). His last good season was 2010. He had a bad year in 08, and only played part of 1 game in 09. 2011 he was ok not great, and in 2012 he was injured and his play was ok, and I may be being kind in that. There were multiple games in which he only had 1 or 2 solo tackles. He fell off, and thats ok...thats what older players do bro. It had nothing to do with his passion, or commitment or any of that, he just got old, and when speed players get old...it's usually not good for them. He was a great all time Bear, but he got old, and it was time for him to go.
     
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    You hit on a good point here. Maybe too many fans have too short a memory as far as what Urlacher has done in his career. I also agree that he was far from finished at the end and with an off season where he wasn't simply fighting serious injuries trying to recover instead of conditioning himself he would have been at least 80% to 90% of his old self and 80% of him is a whole lot better than 100% of many others.

    It's all over and done now and what any other team did or didn't offer has nothing to do with how it was handled. That was wrong. But aside from that I stand by my opinion that the Bears defense would never have cratered that badly with Urlacher running it. He's won games, like the "we knew who they were and we let 'em off the hook" Cards game where he single handedly took over the defense and willed them to make stops. Hester did the rest of the damage.

    But what bothers me most of all was the sheep like mentality of so many Bears fans who turned on Urlacher just because of the misinformation spread by the media who were the Bears and Emery's best PR source through all of it. I read all of those articles even though I didn't buy into them but I also read the others which barely saw the light of day that examined the whole deal and came to the same conclusion that I did. It was a totally screwed up way to handle negotiations, and I use that word lightly since there were none, with your most iconic player. Urlacher was never critical or disloyal to the Bears ever and he still hasn't been.

    You need to read with an understanding all you "haters". This is all about his attitude about Phil Emery, not the Bears as a team, and in that I believe he's justified. If you look at all of the facts, which Emery has never denied by the way, then you'll finally get the whole picture in focus and your emotions will stop overcoming logic and common sense.
     
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    Well get them in to HH. God knows we need all the defensive backs we can get. Wait....
     
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    Well put. I know Urlacher has had a mic shoved in his face at the wrong time and sounded off but it's an emotional roller coaster of a sport. Walking off the field after a loss to the Viqueens, Butkus, McMichael or any hard-assed, hold no punches Bear may have said a lot worse in the heat of the moment but alas a different era. Urlacher's earned any true Bears fans respect and should not be treated as if he were the Sammy Sosa of the Bears. It'd be a cold day in hell before he'd ever pull a Henry Melton...glowing to the press over the franchise tag and showing up like he'd done nothing over the off-season but count his duckets. If Henry would've been in the shape of his live maybe he moves a bit quicker and never sustains the ACL injury. Nor did he have whispers of taking plays off following him around his entire career like the new fudge packer. No he publicly said years before Bear For Life.
     
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    I've personally met Urlacher. To me he was an arrogant business man. He's not for the fans. He is all business.

    Yes, he played for us etc, but after I saw his demeanor, and how he handled fans, I'm giving him what he gives fans.

    He's approaching his commentator job like he did football. It's business.

    So no hard feelings Urlacher, it's just business. While you were good, you are only as good as you project. Right now, you're being a db. :D

    Should Ditka be bitter since we fired him?

    Just my thoughts. I'm loyal, obviously, but anyone meet Urlacher get the same vibe?

    Tillman has reached out to this site for some fan love. So have other players. Urlacher just doesn't give off that vibe, especially when it comes to signing things, or talking to people.

    <rant over> :D
     
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    This. This says it all.
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    If you recall Ski he was for a very long time but again not so much at the Bears, the team he played for and coached, but at one man in particular, Mikey "the :asshat2: McCaskey. That rift continued for a very long time until Mikey was no longer involved in any way with the team. Then it was up to George to smooth things over and have his number retired.

    I don't see it as being any different with Urlacher. It's Emery he has an axe to grind with. Not the McCaskey's or anyone else, just Emery, and his more barbed comments all relate in one way or another to what Emery does or is doing and nothing else. Most of the time his observation are correct and while I may be in a minority I'm not the ONLY one who see it too.

    I really don't give a good God damn if he never won a Mr. Congeniality Award. I never expected him to. As a fan I wanted to see him play his ass off and win football games for the Bears and he did that as well as any other iconic MLB in Bears history. And I was never offended by his comments about ignorant fans because I never considered myself to be one of them. To those who have been offended by those comments I'll just say, "if the shoe fits, and all that shit".

    It's fine with me that he's all business and that his departure was all business too. All I've ever said about that was it was a shitty way to handle that business and if you cut through all of the media crap surrounding it and all that fan "hate", that's all he's ever said about it as well. It could have been handled better but it wasn't. End of story.

    Now, that's ancient history from 2013 and this is 2014. Let's drop this and get on with the future. I'm not holding on to that part of that past any longer. It is what it is and most peoples opinions about it are set in stone and won't ever change, including mine.
     
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