This article made me a bit nervous regarding O vs. D talent in the draft..

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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-draft-has-overabundance-of-offensive-players

    Did I read that correctly? Some teams think there are only 5-8 draftable safeties?

    I don't like hearing about the 'reaches' for defensive players this year.

    And no way Emery ignores the offense in this draft. The question is, which round?
     
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    Safety is where I worry that might cause us not to go after a top tier DT. S is thin in the draft and when that is the case, you have to consider that pick before you go with what (arguably) be a more impact player. I still want a penetrating DT (but that is just a stubborn personal preference) -- S might be the better first pick when you consider what you would have to potentially pick from in the second at S.

    Quite honestly, even though we need CB, TE, LB...... If you gave me the top DT and the second best or possibly best S like Pryor, (basically Donald and Pryor/HaHa) I wouldn't care if all the rest of our picks were UDFA. We need top talent at those two spots the most. I have confidence that between the end of FA, FA next year and next years draft, we could fill those in with very good talent. The number of needs start to drop with good picks. Not sure if that would be smart to give up 5 picks to do that, but I'd be ok with it.

    If Emery goes S at 14, I definitely would not complain. The argument for S at 14 has a lot of merit.
     
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    The safety talent in this draft is really thin. Also, teams value the position more than they used to. The better QB's will gut you if you have a weakness at safety - and we saw this first hand last season. If we think we're grabbing a 3rd round safetey who can help us we're delusional. Ain't happening. It will be another dud like Wright and Conte.

    One other point. People act like Donald is going to make the safety position obsolete or something. Like he'll get to the QB every play. That ain't happening either. Even the best DT's in the NFL (like Suh) can be game-planned for. In the end, you do have to have quality dbacks. There is no free lunch here.
     
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    JABF - he doesn't need to get to him every play. The DL AS A WHOLE needs to disrupt his play every play. That is doable if you have a penetrating DT, DE's that are getting after the QB and the rest of the DL that is pushing. The QB has to scramble into a DE or get pushed back with the pocket. If the pressure is strong, he is using half his mind to evade pressure. It works. Even the best guys get rattled. But then when he does get that pass off, you have to be able to cover. Right now, this year we can still do that with our CB corp. Between them and a super DL, you are going to be good most of the time.

    Not what you want -- you want no holes at all, but how do you fill all the holes we have? I'm thrilled to see what has been filled in only two seasons. I'm not sure they would have been filled in 8 seasons with JA and Lovie. We're getting there. I think many of us have short memories. We are looking to see improvement from where we are now. Which is fine. But you have to temper that by understanding that where we are now is SUBSTANTIALLY ahead of where we started the offseason and that 1/3 of Emerys toolbox has been used. The pre draft FA is behind us. Now we have the draft and the post draft FA. I am sure we will see improvements with all of those. We may also see an outright trade, but I doubt it.

    I like where we are given where we were, how much we improved vs the division, and the fact that we still have the draft and FA ahead of us. Any time Emery has an FA period to work with, he is a force to be reckoned with.

    Lets see how we start the season before we bemoan all the holes. I just don't see how they can all be filled (and they probably won't be) but he may be able to marginalize them more. I know the S will be addressed to some extent before the season starts.
     
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    I am not sure after rd 2 we can upgrade the safeties we already have in this draft. Rd 3 safeties are no better than MD Jennings, Craig Steltz, and McCray. Not sure if you looked at my other thread on when do you take a safety but 12 safeties are in the top 3 of all 32 team needs. Several of them pick before us in rd 2 and if Pryor and Dix are both gone in rd 1 before we Pick there is better than a 50% chance we will not even have the chance to upgrade the position. I am still not sure I want to go into next year with what we have. It the mocks are correct and Ward and Buchannon go in rd 2 which are reaches the value only gets worse, unless of course Phil has an ACE up his sleeve, small school or a CB to play S. Just looks like you are chasing Safeties later if you take one and not getting the Value you could have later.

    Buy the way I was watching NFL network and Darqueze Dennard was on. He said something to the extent of Michigan had a complex defensive scheme and he often played the role of Safety. That was like music to my ears.

    Anyway here is how Safeties average out on Big Boards. (Food for thought) Joyner was listed as a CB but he has an average rank at 50 and many believe he will be a Safety

    Glad Phil has to figure this one out :10 4 4v[1]:
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    Yeah but it will be L.Houston,J.Allen and A.Donald that other teams will have to game plan for not just A.Donald.
     
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    I'd rather get the pro bowl DT, LB or even offense than the safety who ends up cut from the team in 3 years. If the safety isn't there well it's just not our year. Maybe one comes up in remaining FA or camp cuts who ends up pretty good.

    Best available (whilst factoring needs) is always to smartest approach.
     
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    Random thought: I'm starting to get annoyed by the term "reached", as...if the player still turns out to be good (Long), then it shouldn't be that big a deal.
     
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    The way I see it is that the better teams won't be affected "every play" by our DL no matter who we have playing there. I agree 100% that a great DL is a wonderful and important piece of the overall defense. It's not the entire defense though. If you have a fatal weakness at any position on defense then that will be exploited by the better QB's - certainly guys like Aaron Rodgers. Detroit had arguably one of the best DL's in the entire NFL last year. Not just Suh, but the entire DL had stellar talent. Yet their defense gave up 30 or more points in 4 games, and 20-27 points in 7 more games. This with a DL that is every team's dream. Seattle won a Super Bowl with a complete defense. They had solid talent behind that DL too.

    This is what I'd like to see in Chicago.

    If the Bears draft Donald in the 1st, that's fine. I'm just saying that's not going to negate the need for a serious upgrade at safety. I do get tired of people talking like a solid DL will make crappy players "okay" to have behind that DL. It's not going to do that. But I "get it" that folks believe we draft Donald and it's all good. Problem solved.
     
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    Well no one told the 85 Bears that and they went out and affected "every play" anyway.
    I think you are stretching what I'm saying by saying that my position is that Donald will fix the problems. That's not what I'm saying at all. First, I don;t know if Donald is going to have the impact that many of us hope he will. That is ALWAYS a risk. Next is that even if he does, HOW MUCH impact will that DL have? Will it be average, or will it actually be able to intimidate the opposing teams?

    I do think that with an excellent DL we can get into the post season. Then I think we work on the backfield which also has to be strong to get to the SB.

    Or you can fix the backfield now, but you still don't know how much pressure the DL will provide. Especially without a Donald type. We'll theoretically only have one good S with a DL that migh be giving the QB more time than we'd like. Then we get picked aprt that way (maybe -- we still have stout CBs). So pick your poison. It all has to be fixed. You just have to decide the biggest incremental return RIGHT NOW.

    And since we have not seen the new DL in action, my opinion is finish that up. If we had one season of play with them and I saw that they were stout and dominating in most situations (and that could be the case - we just don't know), then I would be thinking the biggest difference maker right now would be a S.

    Keep in mind that as we all present our thoughts and positions, none of us actually know which is the right position. We all do our best analysis and filter that through own own personal priorities and come up with what we think is the best course. Seems like you are down on people that think that Donald with be the last piece. Personally, I haven't seen anyone take that position JABF, but even if they had, so what?

    One person's opinion that is different (and probably wrong) really that big a deal? It's not like any of what we think is going to happen just because we think it should.

    And I hope you take this in the spirit it was meant JABF. I'm not trying to be disrespectful in any way.
     
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