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  1. soulman

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    Thanks for the updates brother. Lynch and Jones are two guys who have a real good shot at making the roster because we have room for a 3rd RB and another LB if both can play STeams well.

    For a guy with Jones obvious talent to go undrafted there must be more than just the failed UA that concerned teams. Sounds to me like he's a little undisciplined in more ways than one so he's a gamble but maybe this is where the Herring connection helps. Sounds like Jones needs to be around vet players and a tough coach who makes him toe the line. They don't often get that in college and it's obvious in quite a few younger players.

    Besides that he could be a victim of the same things Vereen was. By moving around as much as he has maybe no one had as much tape on him as they would have liked but from what I saw the kid has a motor and he knows how to find the ball. We need a LB who shows up to play much harder than Greene did last year and maybe this is the guy who'll push him up or out.

    Lynch is just a natural football player and he has the right attitude about his career. Heisman votes rarely mean much in the NFL since half those guy are utter failures once they leave the systems that made them great in college and hit the pros. I'm just basing my opinions about him from what I saw on his game tapes. He knows what to do when he's carrying the football. He has great vision, instincts, a little bit of make you miss, and he's a very tough runner to bring down for his size. He plays much bigger than he is. There's a lot they can do with him if he sticks.

    Carey never looked as slow in his vids as he timed. He may not have long speed but once he gets moving he can keep his speed up while making cuts and he's another tough runner to tackle because of his height. The perfect compliment to Forte's style is a simple one cut north/south back who can get some tough yards inside and still has the ability to make people miss. Bush actually had a little of that too but so does Carey and he's a lot cheaper.

    This is gonna sound a little blasphemous but there's a but of Payton in Carey. Walter was never that fast either but he was a very productive back in college and a prolific scorer just like Carey has been. Whenever Walter needed to gain a couple of yards for a 1st down or make the end zone on a crucial goal line play he always found a way to do it. I see that in Carey as well. He's not as flashy as a Reggie Bush type but he's also far more dependable when you need a guy to get you some positive yardage.

    I think we added some nice offensive depth with Carey and Lynch and also protected ourselves against a serious injury or a major decline in Forte's production. These guys are both good investments. Jones will be as well if he matures as a player and realizes the NFL isn't Florida State and what goes there won't cut it in the NFL.
     
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    STeams needed some major improvement and it looks like Emery paid some attention to that as well. Sometimes we forget just how important it is to have players who may not be the best position players out there but they are Steams demons and those guys are involved in a lot of big plays too.

    Guys like McCray, Jordan Senn, Sherrick McManis, Craig Steltz, and Dante Rosario are all top STeams guys who can still fill in at a position if needed. They aren't starting caliber but they vets who have lasted a long time in the NFL based on being valuable on coverage teams and as backups. We needs guys like this too.
     
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    (CBS) Salary cap numbers for the eight Bears draft picks, who have all signed contracts already, were revealed in a report by the Chicago Tribune’s Brad Biggs on Thursday afternoon. For the most part, the numbers were straightforward and expected, as under the NFL’s slotted system in the new CBA, rookie deals have become fairly standardized.

    Chicago’s top pick and No. 14 overall in the draft, cornerback Kyle Fuller has a four-year contract that is worth $9.867 million — all of which is guaranteed, Biggs reported. Fuller’s signing bonus is worth about $5.365 million, according to Biggs. It is somewhat unusual for a contract to be fully guaranteed.

    Here’s the base salary breakdown for Fuller.

    Defensive tackle Ego Ferguson, the team’s second-round pick, has a $1.3 million signing bonus and a four-year contract with a $4.1 million total value — $1.9 million of which is guaranteed, according to Biggs.

    Third-round pick Will Sutton, a defensive tackle, has a four-year deal worth about $3.115 million, with a signing bonus of $568,068, which is his guaranteed money, Biggs wrote.

    The Bears have about $6.186 million in cap space, according to CBSChicago.com columnist and cap guru Dan Durkin.
     
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    DREW CAREY as a Running Back... currently hosting a TV game show.

    Two-time first-team All-American selection (2012-13). 2013: First-team All-Pac-12 and Pac-12 Offensive Player of the Year. Played in 12 games and had 119 or more yards rushing in each game. Had only two games without a rushing touchdown (vs. California and USC). Had 206 yards rushing and four touchdowns against Oregon. 2012: First-team All-Pac-12 pick after leading FBS with 148.4 rushing yards per game. Had 24 scrimmage touchdowns, the fifth-most in FBS. 2011: Played in 11 games and finished second on the team with 425 rushing yards.

    Analysis

    Strengths Outstanding two-year production -- piled up 3,814 yards and 42 touchdowns on the ground from 2012-13, ranking among the nation's most prolific. Terrific compete level and determination -- runs with energy, doesn’t go down easily and punctuates runs. Tries to punish tacklers and keeps his legs pumping -- grinds out yards after contact. Good feet, acceleration and lateral agility. Spins off contact. Reliable shot receiver. Gets upfield with urgency after the catch and has enough shiftiness to create. Willing to throw a shoulder blow into rushers. Can handle a heavy workload -- averaged 26 carries per game the last two seasons.

    Weaknesses Lacks ideal size and has a narrow, high-cut build with a lean lower body. Upright running style exposes his body to some direct hits and durability could be an issue. Does not string moves together and does not have elite breakaway speed. Average wiggle and elusiveness (cuts off his heels). Faced light boxes in a spread, zone-read offense. Had nearly 850 touches in college and body has already endured a lot of punishment. Has been removed from some team boards for off-the-field transgressions/suspensions.

    Bottom Line Highly productive, hard-charging slasher who runs more competitively than he does powerfully and picks up yardage in chunks. Has some first-round traits and is one of the most instinctive runners in this year's draft class, though his stock could be affected by off-the-field troubles.
     
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    These aren't really their cap numbers just the terms of their contracts. I posted them for all 8 picks the other day. Because of the slotting it makes getting these guys signed before any OTAs pretty easy. No more holdouts.

    What's interesting and confirms what MP and I have posted before is that if the Bears still have $6.186 mil in cap space it didn't take anywhere near $5 mil to sign the rookies. We surely didn't have $11 mil in cap space before the draft. My estimate for the 2014 cap costs for the three top picks is about $2.7 mil. The rest of the picks aren't likely to even be in the top 51 and if they are they'll simply replace another minimum salary and that's a zero sum gain.
     
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    Hey Soul it sounds like we have money to play with.

    In addition we dont know what other teams may cut that we could use.

    This aint over yet. Im going on record that the FA's ... Drafts and UDFA's is the best Ive seen in the last ten years and more.

    The defense was obnoxious and was addressed in FA .. the Draft ... and UDFA's.

    You cant ask for better then that.
     
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    The Bears have reportedly signed a pair of players who tried out at their rookie minicamp this weekend.

    According to Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune, the Bears have signed rookie tailback Senorise Perry. The 6-foot, 187-pound Louisville product racked up 1,409 yards and gained 4.9 yards per carry in his collegiate career (2010-2013).

    Also, the Bears have also signed rookie cornerback Marcus Trice, he said on Twitter on Sunday. Trice (5-8, 193) notched 153 tackles and intercepted seven passes for North Texas from 2012 through 2013. He began his collegiate career at Oklahoma.

    While the Bears look to be adding two rookies, they have parted ways with veteran punter Drew Butler, according to Aaron Wilson of National Football Post. The 25-year-old Butler was the Steelers’ punter in 2012, posting a 43.8-yard gross average (37.8 net).

    Sixth-round rookie Pat O’Donnell is expected to be the Bears’ punter this season.
     
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    There's some cap space there if the find a guy they can't live without but for the most part that's a reserve for in season contingencies cause by injuries. Hopefully we'll have enough depth to avoid much of that but you never know.

    The can also use it later in the year for extensions or roll it over into the 2015 cap if they still have an excess. I think the big moves are over now but you never know who might pop up on a waiver wire.
     
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    Called my Miami buddy when we made trade for Marshall to rub it in that we stole him for two 3rd round picks. Trade turned out better than I ever expected. Marshall has turned into a team leader. Listening to Jay Cutler show last season, Jay gives Brandon a lot of credit for influencing him in a positive manner. Looking back on that trade it is the defining moment that Emery was the real deal.
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    Watched the Marshall interview with Ditka at Ditka's the other day. He reminded Marshall that the QB he played with in the 63 championship team came out of Vanderbilt.

    c'mon now

    Just for shiggles, I checked out the kicking stats for that 63 team. Bobby Joe Green averaged 46.5 yards per kick with a long of 66. But as far as field goals are concerned, they had a designated PAT guy who for some reason Halas allowed to live went for a pathetic 1 for 10 on field goals. The other guy, LB Roger LeClerc, was 13 of 23 and averaged 50% of FG made throughout his career. We're talking Carlos Huerta territory here and the goals posts were not in the back of the end zone. I often wondered how often players would get hurt ramming their head into the goal posts back in the day.

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    Bob Jencks was the other kicker but I don't recall why Halas used both of them since LeClerc was the better of the two by far. Bobby Jo Green was one of the best P the Bears ever had and he was with the team for a long time too.

    I think that trade for Marshall is gonna go down as one of the best in NFL history. That was the first time Uncle Phil showed how well he did his homework and how thoroughly he had Marshall vetted before he pulled the trigger. Like taking home a poker pot with a pair of 3s. LOL
     

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