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  1. soulman

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    That would get us another top 100 player in the top 1/3 of the third round and if the guy they wanted would still be one the board I'd do it in a heartbeat but the farther they move back the riskier it becomes to get the guy they want. It would be nice if Emery had identified another "under the radar" guy like Long who most had ranked in the 2nd round and pick up that guy later in round one plus get a high 3rd to a mid 2nd to move back. The trouble is I don't see that guy unless maybe it's Pryor. He lost some ground at the Combine but man he'll be a beast of a SS.
     
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    I thought less of him before the Combine as well but that was based more on the fact that some sources had him listed at 6' and 275lbs and that is too small for an NFL DT. But the Combine dispelled that when he was measured just an 1/8th inch short of 6'1" and a solid 288lbs. Hell, Nate Collins is only 6'2" and 296lbs and in 2012 Paea was playing NT at 6'1" and less than 295lbs. Melton only goes 295lbs as well and Trestman says he's lighter this year so Donald isn't as small as some believed prior to the Combine.

    Now add to that his 35 reps on the bench and a 4.68 40 yard dash (and that combination is incredible for a DT) and combine it with his college productivity and this kid looks awful good to me right now. He's similar to Paea but even quicker off the snap and more productive as a pass rusher whereas Paea plays the run better than he rushes. Play Paea and Donald as a pair and you have two very quick, very strong DTs who can play low and shoot gaps and that's what the Bears defense has been based on for years.

    Now whether Tucker, Trestman and Emery still see it that way we don't know but I could get excited about a DT rotation with Paea, Donald, Collins and Ratliff and not be bothered at all if they let Melton go. At times Collins has looked almost as good as Melton and Ratliff is a 4 time Pro Bowler who I think still has a good year or two left in his tank. Remember, he's barely played at all for the last two years so his football age is closer to 30 or 31 than it is to 32 or 33 and Dallas still wanted him. If they do keep Melton and he's playing lighter IMHO he'd me a good prospect to use at LDE and DT like they've been using Izzy and Wootton. That bunch with Pep playing a more limited number of snaps rotating with someone like, Melton, Bass or Washington if that kid has anything at all to offer and that's a seriously good line without spending big on a free agent DE or DT.

    I may be way off base as far as what they're planning on or what they can do but IMHO they have the resources already there to fix most of the problems with that line and a guy like Donald can be a valuable addition to that.
     
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    See that is a very realistic point of view on the likely course of action. I see so many posts where folks either act like we have a dozen picks in the draft or have the cap space to get Melton or someone else costing $8mm/yr. Truth is because of the number of signings we have, Ratliff might not even be possible, but I expect a few moves to free up space (Peppers, etc.). Still, the best we will do is to throw $5mm/yr of cap space around....that means we aren't making a splash, but hopefully we will use our resources wisely. The number one part of that is our draft picks. I believe Donald could be the key to us being able to get impact players (to start) in the draft at potentially 3 positions on defense. The keystone is/was/will always be DT. Strength there (at a value) will solidify even average to weak play elsewhere.
     
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    Exactly. Any good 4-3 HAS to have a penetrating 3 tech DT and Donald is not only the best player at that position but at #14 he may well be the best player on the board at a position of need. Whether or not we sign Melton to a cap friendly deal we still rotate our DT and DE positions to keep them fresh so there's no way he becomes a wasted pick. He'll get plenty of snaps and he becomes the hedge against Melton not playing at the Pro Bowl level he was playing at in 2012 or the possibility that he plays on another one year deal because it's the best he can get and he goes free agent again in 2015. Emery has to decide whether to take that "leap of faith" that Melton his able to perform at a high level again and tie him up for four years or risk losing him with a one year "prove it" offer.

    Paea and Ratliff or Collins are all very competent players but neither one is likely to be that gap shooting pass rusher that Melton was in 2012 or that Donald could well be. I'll just reinforce what I've said before. If a team can draft a good pass rushing DT you never pass on that guy. Look at Gerald McCoy in TB. The guy had 9.5 sacks last year and 50 tackles. He's a monster 3 tech DT. Look at Suh and Fairley in Detroit. Both are interchangeable at NT and 3 tech. Seattle didn't win the Super Bowl with a big line. They were smaller and faster and they won because they put constant pressure on Manning up the middle, blocked his short passing lanes and didn't allow him room to step up into the pocket which gave their DEs time to get around the OTs and get sacks and pressure.

    Lovie had his faults but one of them wasn't being a defensive fool. He drafted Tommie Harris to play that role and that guy was all world until he got hurt. We lacked that guy until Melton came along and we may lose him either in free agency or because he's lost that quick burst because of his injury. We have a shot at replacing him with a guy who has all the tools to do what Harris and Melton did and if he's still on the board I think you have to take him and work around that. He can be your difference maker. There's a reason why guys like Pep, Izzy and Wootton combined for over 25 sacks in 2012 and it's because Melton was making that possible. The problem is we don't know whether or not he can still do that and Donald is the hedge to make sure someone can or at least that's my take on it.

    I'll also go back and say that if Melton is looking for a 4 year deal that pays him franchise tag money with 50% of his deal guaranteed then my by guess is that Emery will wish him well and either shoot for a guy like Bennett or he'll fill his spot in the draft with a guy that will cost him a fraction of what either of those two will cost. I believe he'd like to keep both Pep and Peanut if he can get them for $4-$5 mil and that's gonna be hard to do if he has to spend that money on just one DT.
     
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    Great analyses guys. Between Pep, Melton, and Tillman, I think we will ending up keeping 2 and jettisoning 1. Of course it's going to come down to money and who will accept what and who wants way more than Phil is willing to cough up. I'll make a guess here reading the tea leaves so to speak: the guy of the three most likely to bolt or scoff at Emery's offer will be Melton.

    We will have a pretty good idea here soon who Phil is prioritizing keeping and who he isn't. If he signs a DE, that signals to me that he's not confident in getting Pep to take a renegotiated deal. You could say the same about Peanut if Emery signs a CB though I doubt Phil tries to get one in FA. Melton, if he's gonna leave, will probably be gone fairly early in the open signing period which starts a week from Tuesday. I just have a feeling that the FO isn't "sold" on Henry enough to risk a multi-year, sizable-money deal. Freely admit, I could end up being completely wrong.

    Every time I read someone say something like: "we don't have the cap space to keep X" or "X should be let go because it will cost blank-million to keep him", I am reminded of a few things. First off, let's remember that every time you let someone go you have to spend money and/or a draft pick in an attempt to replace him. It's isn't "free". We aren't talking about obvious no-brainer cuts like Kellen Davis last year here. Peanut for instance may be getting up there but he's still a damn good CB with good size and great for team chemistry. How much would it cost to replace him with a comparable FA vet? A lot. Maybe a high draft pick could come in and nail down the job right away. Maybe that pick will be Dre Kilpatrick ver 2 whose been a major 1st round disappointment. Maybe the team needs those high draft picks elsewhere more acutely. And secondly, though cap space constraints are certainly present, the Bears do have a lot of cap flexibility options they can call upon if needed. The number that exists today is not a static number.
     
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    Outstanding post MP.
     

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