Tucker did it!!!

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  1. Bearsinhouston

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    He got the top spot (if you stand on your head) for run defense. He moved from 31st in the league to 32nd. Officially the Bears have the worst run defense in the league.

    Sad... It makes me mad how we could be in last place for any kind of defensive ranking.
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    Can a mod delete this thread. It is taking so long for threads to post, I did it twice. We only need to be reminded once how bad our D is....
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    This reminds me of an article that I recently read about the Cowboys and Jerry Jones. He was upset at the fact that the Cowboys O is not as effective when playing games as they are during practices. Someone needs to explain to Jerry that during real games, the Cowboys do not play against the Cowboys D. The Cowboys D is rated at 31st for both run and pass defense.

    Not too hard to figure out. If something is broken, there is usually an underlying reason. Co-incidence does not usually bring you to the bottom (or top) of any list.
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    This is the truth. I believe it to be a personnel issue-as in, the players suck. I thought up until today the defense had been doing a decent job considering who it was composed of.
    Not sure if anybody caught it, but on the nbc 5 late night bears postgame show McMichael called out McClellin for being a p.o.s. They replayed the Tavon Austin run and there is Shea, caught with his pants down in the middle of the backfield. By the time he finds the ball it's 10 yards past him and then he's blindsided. At which point another p.o.s. is making one of his patented out of position bone head plays(Conte).
    I mean what the hell could Tucker possibly do with these guys? McMichael claimed that McClellin was being singled out and run at. I didn't notice it at the time but now that I think back he's probably right. I would love to know the dynamic between the GM and the coaches regarding who starts and plays, because Shea is not an nfl caliber player. If teams are singling him out as a weakness and then gashing us you really can't let that go on and win any games. Same thing with Conte.
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    The sad reality is there is no one to replace these players with right now. We essentially have to watch this D get raped for the rest of the year i guess.
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    Bass seems to play the position better than Shea.
    Casey Hampton is STILL available.
    Huff WAS available.
    Tucker has made this Defense into a back yard pick-up game type defense. Comments like "if you are going to make a mistake then do it at full speed". Instead of being in the right place they are running to the wrong spot at full speed, which takes them out of the play completely.

    I know there are a lot of key injuries, but gap integrity has nothing to do with talent, that has every thing to do with coaching.

    This part of the season is about your teams ability to run the ball. Well everyone has been successful against us. So when are they going to change something?

    There are options for the Bears, Big Toe, Casey Hampton, Corey Williams, and Richard Seymour (possibly too expensive) are all still out there and then you can possibly put Wootten back at DE in a rotation with Bass and Shea needs to ONLY come in on passing situations.
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    Fellas, this Defense is worse than just two guys (McClellin and Conte). The entire line is sub par, Bowman had a TERRIBLE game, Major Wright is every bit as bad as Conte and our rookie linebackers, well, let's just say they are as green as the money they are collecting. This is what happens when you have a substantial amount of injuries and a coach that is OK, but not good enough to overcome those injuries. Honestly, I really don't know who to blame, if anyone. The McClellin selection was, and still is a head scratcher for me, but do you blame the player? He really is playing out of position in my opinion, and at best, he's a role player (pass rush specialist), not an every down DE. Conte and Wright have both been on the rise until this year, and what has changed? The quality of the players around them. Part of their problem is they no longer have LBers that can drop and cover the deep middle, well, in this Defense, that is a necessity. How can you blame them for that? And it's really unfair to blame rookie LBers when their collective heads are spinning and they are still trying to figure our what the hell they are doing out there.

    I guess the point I'm making is this. You cannot have success in this league with the volume of injuries we've had. The most recent Packer SB team was the exception to the rule, but typically, you can't win in this league when the majority of your players on one side of the ball or the other are reserves, you just can't. This Defense WILL continue to get raped and it's just up to the Offense to score as much as they can to try to cover the Defense. If we had all or the majority of our starters and we got gashed like that, I'd be pissed too, but I'm not. I guess I've come to grips with it at this point. I think when Peanut went down, that was the last bit of hope leaving my body.
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    I believe there are three factors in play:

    1. Certainly the injuries are a huge factor.
    2. In addition to the injuries, we also have a need to upgrade talent. We have starters who are really bad.
    3. I don't give Tucker a "pass" due to the injuries. Sorry. He's a mediocre coach at best. We need to get better someone better.

    If all of our starters were healthy, I still think we'd have a mediocre-to-bad defense. We need a serious talent upgrade this off-season. Just getting our starters healthy will not be enough to solve our woes. We need Emery to work his magic on defense, like he did this past year on offense.
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    I agree with all of those and would also add the greenness of some players. Although by now, I would expect them to start getting some seasoning. Instead I may actually see regression. I'd say those four are the key. There may also be subplots if the players do not believe in Tucker, they may not be giving it their all, but that is huge speculation. I think the 4 factors are pretty safe though.
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    I would like to see a defensive coach with some emotion. A motivational coach to be Trestman's dog.
    Fire can be a good thing when you have a person around with a cool hand.
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    They are just a bunch of mother Tucker's playing D, I wish we could have a bunch of mean mother f's...
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    Well..... The defense is on fire.... but not in a good way
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    This is the worst defense I can ever remember for our beloved Bears. Tucker needs to be fired. Sorry, injuries happen and yes, I'm sure it hasn't helped. That said, the D was bad from the start of the season, before the injuries mounted. The safety's that looked to be the future last year, look to be replaced next year. These players are always out of position. that falls on the coach.
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    I'm kind of surprised by how many people are putting such a strong amount of blame on Tucker here. This regression could be seen a mile away. Years of crappy drafts created a dearth of talent on both sides of the ball. Management decided to spend the resources to fix the offense and hope the D had one more run left. To me, that was the best gamble too. Well, guess what, the defense is old and worn out and the crap shoot was lost. Now, they have to fix the D. Does anyone remember what happened to this defense after the Super Bowl appearance and before Julius Peppers got here? The defense was poor with no pass rush. Our 3rd down D was absolute crap. You can trace the re-emergence of the D to Julius Peppers' arrival. Well, now he's showing his age and not getting the pressure he once did. He's not requiring a constant double team and the occasional triple team. This D lived and died by Julius Peppers' ability to raise hell in the pocket. Couple that with the injuries to the older veterans and this disaster should be no surprise. I just don't know how so much blame can be placed on the DC. He came in and try to make everything the same for this guys. Kept the same calls, nomenclature, everything. I'm sure they felt this was the best way to keep things the same and to keep the Lovie disciples happy. I think we need to see what Tucker can do with his own D. Sure, the gap integrity and mental mistakes could be coaching issues. But if you think this group isn't severely lacking talent and the coaching should receive the majority of the blame, I'll have to disagree. In what universe is starting Zach Bowman, Landon Cohen, rookie Khaseem Greene, and Corey Wooton at the 3 technique going to yield a good result? I'm not even going to get into the other guys.

    I think most went into the pre-season with the thought that a rebuild was needed on D. I think the good start from the offense gave everyone hope that we could go somewhere this season and the negativity disappeared. It's becoming apparent that the defense fell off the cliff and rebuilding it will be the main focus along with adding one or two more parts to the O. The good news is, defenses can be turned around quickly in the NFL. The bad news is, we don't have young horses at the priciest spots... pass rushers and corner.
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    When you are 32nd in rush defense and every OC in the league is targeting McClellin and running over him and around Conte, the Bears have NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE by making changes. I can't resist. I have to say it one more time and then you can tell me "coaches know best" one more time...

    Play CornWash, damn it!

    He can bench press McClellin 15 times.
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    1. I believe this defense has quit on Tucker.
    2. I believe that there is a stench that can stick to a defense, after epic losing that can be a cancer moving forward. I'd like to see a new DC. Clean start with the new players next year.
    3. I totally agree we've had a lot of injuries. Hey, it's the NFL and it's a way of life. But it's not just the injuries alone. We have young players, healthy, who still play like crap.
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    [(x)Bear's D]/Burnt = [(y)Tucker]/ Fired


    JABF99's factors also hold true:
    3 > (1+2) in the instance above.

    It is no co-incidence I agree with both of you. Butka brings up a good points, and I recall an article not to long ago that supported Mel because of the regression, injuries, and holding to the plan of keeping the terminology of Lovie's D for the Veterans. It might not be fair, but I hear the internet ghosts whispering, "Just win baby."

    This is not Lovie's Defense. The back bone is broken. No pressure... no workie. We also found out the Safety Valve is broken.

    When "X" is 145.2 yards per game for rushing yards against the Bear's D, I see "Y" Mel Tucker should be fired. Make sense to me.
    It could be an error, I'm not mad if Tucker gets another year because of all the variables, but I would try something else if given a choice.
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    Our O is rated 8th now.
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    Wow, I've been looking on some other boards and everyone is ready to get rid of Tucker. This board is much more realistic, reasonable and mature, so the "blame Tucker" crowd is more rational, but I just don't see it. Yea, he has made some bad calls, but the overwhelming majority of the problem lies with personnel and the biggest reason we are seeing the personnel that we are is because of injuries. Yes, injuries happen, but when they start to mount it becomes damn near impossible to overcome regardless of who's coaching them. It's one thing to overcome one or two, even three starters, but good god almost 1/2 of our starting Defense are reserves, and in some cases, reserves of reserves. When Linebackers start to try to cover for a decimated D-Line, the linebackers start to look poor, and our linebackers are green as gourds. When the linebackers start to play poorly, then the safetys and DB's have to play better and we are already playing without Peanut, so our Safetys look worse than they are. This is a team game guys and it takes the whole 11 man squad to play well; if 5 guys screw up their assignment, the other 6 often look bad too because they are trying to compensate and play above their responsibilities.

    Yes, we need better talent, and yes, I would like to see Tucker do better with what he has, but frankly Wootten shouldn't be playing DT, but he has to because of injuries; McClellin shouldn't be playing DE as often as he is, but he has to because Wooten is playing DE; both safteys are looking bad, but our rookie MLB can't cover the deep middle and he's playing at MLB now, because of injuries; Bowman shouldn't be playing at CB as a starter, but he has to because of injuries; Greene shouldn't be playing the Will spot yet, but he has too because of injuries; Anderson should not be calling the Defense in his first year here, but he has to because of injuries. We have an undrafted rookie that we picked up from the RAIDERS practice squad playing part time DE because of injuries. I never even heard of this Cohen guy that's playing DT, but he's playing because of injuries.

    I don't really know enough about Tucker to know if he sucks or not. I know I don't like what I'm seeing, but if the guy was able to make a solid Defense out of this group he would be in line for Coordinator of the year. To blame him for this disaster at this point is a bit unfair in my opinion. I'm not trying to take up for him because I just don't know, but for the same reason, I'm not ready to throw him under the bus either.
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    We're normally on the same page, 4DaBears, but I have to say that I am one of those that want Tucker fired. For a while I was giving him the benefit of the injury card. But he ran a bottom of the league D in jacksonville. Gave up a lot of yards and a lot of points. He's doing the same here. I understand the injury issues, but fact is we were playing badly BEFORE the injuries started. Now we have next man up several times over, but why is everybody always out of position? why is everybody running band angles? why is everybody tackling badly? With so many repeat performances, it's not just the players. It falls on coaching. I blame Tucker.

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