Tucker: Round 2

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  1. JustAnotherBearsFan99

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    I posted statistics about this a couple of months ago. The Packers won a Super Bowl with more injuries than we had on defense last year. And there were teams (that same year) that had more injuries than the Packers - and they still made the playoffs (the Colts were one of the teams that year). Injuries are a way of life in the NFL. Every team has to deal with major injuries every year. We will this year. This is the reality of football at the NFL level. Of course fans like to trot out excuses for not making the playoffs, and this is a well-used excuse. But in the end, the great teams find ways to win, even with major injuries. We gave a number of games away last season. And it wasn't due to injuries. Just my 2-cents worth. I'll be honest here. I get tired of the Bears and Cubs fans trotting out the excuses for not winning championships. In the end, you're either a winner or a loser. We haven't won a championship in over a quarter century. Like the Cubs, we're becoming "those lovable losers" and we (fans) are too fast to accept losing. I'm through with excuses. They're for losers.

    EDIT: But I do understand that this is how Bears/Cubs fans deal with not winning championships. It's how we cope and not lose our minds. Some day though, it would be nice to actually, you know, WIN some championships here in Chicago with the Bears and Cubs.
     
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    We will see. I will commend him for his effort to be on the sidelines halfway through last year. I'll give him this much that he seemed to "get it" that the unit was unacceptable and something needed to be done. Injuries will happen somewhere and they must be overcame within reason. I hope Trestman and Emery let the dog off the leash so to speak and let Tucker run exactly what he wants and knows. No more keeping Lovie's calls and keeping a Lovie like scheme in order to keep some of the vets happy. Lovie is gone and is not coming back. We need to let Tucker run exactly what he wants and knows in order to truly evaluate him. That was the only excuse I gave him last year, that he was handcuffed to some Lovie like defense. Other than that, things must change.
     
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    The Packers did NOT lose key starters on D the way the Bears did, the amount of losses are not NEAR as important as the losses of KEY components.

    List the players they lost and compare them to:
    DJ Williams Starting MLB
    Lance Briggs Starting WILL Pro Bowler
    Melton Starting DT Pro Bowler
    Collins backup DT, considered by the team AS GOOD as Melton
    Tillman, Starting CB Pro Bowler
    Wootton moved from DE to DT so he's lost

    5 of 11 STARTERS lost, and 1 significant backup lost. Lets see who the Packers lost.
     
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    When you have depth behind your starters injuries are less of an issue. We did not have the requisite depth, that much is obvious and admitted, and some of our depth ended up injured as well. Depth is not a coaching issue, thats a front office issue. The issue here is with Tucker so, yes, injuries are a problem for him because they impact what he's able to do from a scheme stand point. As for your example of the Packers, that defense, while banged up still had 4 pro-bowlers play every game that season. Did the Bears have any of their former pro-bowlers play every game last season? You don't think if Matthews/Collins/Williams/Woodson went down that season would have gone differently? The only impact starter that team was missing on defense for a majority of the season/playoffs was Morgan Burnett. Thats a whole lot different than losing Briggs, Melton, Collins, Williams, Tillman...wouldn't you agree? It's not an apples to apples comparison.
     
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    Last year we had the "Jay Cutler no excuses tour"

    This year, appears to be Mel Tucker's turn to take that tour
     
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    I'm not trying to be a jerk, and God bless ya for wanting to give the team a pass for last year. I mean that. And I will be the first to admit that I'm bitter (overly bitter) over the lack of championships with the Bears and Cubs over the past many years. After 1963 I began rationalizing the seasons and like one of those "lovable loser" fans, I'd just put on a smile and talk about "next year" and how "next year" would be different. I'd trot out a very plausable excuse and just "live with that" in hope that "next year" would be different. Of course the years and decades passed with no championships for the Cubs, and 1 lone SB for the Bears, in 1985. It seems so long ago now. We trot out the old geezers from '85 and relive the glory year. Even Obama had 'em to the White House not too long ago (the ones that are still alive).

    But I finally got tired of making excuses. I'm fine if others want to make them though. I'm not trying to make folks feel bad here.
     
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    Theres a difference between excuses and reasons. Having all of the impact starters we lost on defense miss a majority of the season is not an excuse for a poor performing defense...it's a bonafide reason! You can be upset, I'm upset...but I also realize what happened last year, and it was unprecedented! No team lost the amount of impact starters we lost and were successful...thats life in the NFL. Now should they have had better depth? Absolutely. Should they have drafted better in the past? Absolutely! Which one of those is Tucker responsible for? Was he in charge of the draft for the last 4-5 years? Is he in charge of signing players and managing our cap? Last I checked thats not in the DC's job description. This thread is about Tucker and if he can do the job. I believe he can, and I believe there are REASONS as to why last year did not go as planned.
     
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    All reasons are excuses, but not all excuses are reasons.
     
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    a=b doesn't mean b=a!

    all fried chicken is chicken, not all chicken is fried.

    tebow is a qb, not all qb's are H-backs.
     
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    Yep Benj that's exactly what it is. We keep talking numbers in terms of injuries. I have numbers for you 161.5 and 5.8. Rushing yards a game/play an opponent averaged. Are you freaking kidding me?!? Almost 6 damn yards per attempt? That's horrific for a high school team let alone a pro team. Heres 2 more numbers. 91 and 3. I'll give you a hint, think our last defensive series. Would I give him a pass if we were in the mid 20s due to injuries? Yeah. But dead last in most stats, and some by laughable margins. God I hope he gets it together this year, either that or dosent make it to the bye week.
     
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