Unraveling Clausen vs Palmer Competition..............

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    Bears: Making sense out of 'Clausen vs. Palmer'

    Link to SportsTalk Live Analysis; http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/bears-making-sense-out-clausen-vs-palmer

    July 29, 2014, 1:45 pm


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    Marc Trestman’s irritation was palpable, and understandable: A reporter referenced a news story stating that Trestman had Jordan Palmer ahead of Jimmy Clausen in the competition for the No. 2 quarterback job.

    “That couldn't be,” Trestman said. “I've never said anything to that at all. I've said that it's a competition, that it's an open competition, and I also said, I'm certain that I said even at the initial press conference, 'Let's not say that David Fales is out of the competition to be the No. 2 either."

    “But the process is that Jordan and Jimmy are going to continue to battle. Matt's going to move them around in different situations with 2’s and 3’s, and Fales is going to continue to get his reps as you saw today and we'll continue to evaluate through camp and that's always the way it's been. I've never been asked a question in two years like that but my answer is as simple as it can be and that is that it's a competition. I haven't even thought about at this point who that guy would be.”

    Indeed, coaches have been clear in cautioning about assigning excessive significance to whether Clausen or Palmer took which reps with which unit in practice. Fales is part of the discussion, as Trestman clarified, but realistically the rookie would need stunning performances in preseason games, with decreasing reps as preseason goes on to work his way up the depth chart.

    Right now only one “indicator” stands out as far as which of the two veterans has any advantage, and that’s one that could be eclipsed by game performances. That indicator was pre-camp, from GM Phil Emery rather than Trestman. And given that Trestman didn’t anoint Jay Cutler as the franchise quarterback when he was hired, he certainly isn’t likely to be anointing anyone as Cutler’s understudy just yet.

    But a talent assessment by Emery was the clue to a starting perception of Clausen:

    “I said, ‘Ya know what Marc, I’ve seen [Clausen] work out twice since he’s been in the league,’ Emery said. “Once was his rookie workout. And I thought, ‘That guy’s an NFL player.’ And then he came back a couple years later and threw to the tight end who’s in Minnesota from Notre Dame and I said ‘Who is that guy?’ Somebody said, ‘That’s Jimmy Clausen.’ I said, ‘That’s Jimmy Clausen?’

    “I could see why. That all looked good and that looked unified. That guy’s a pro. And he came in and did the same thing. So someone that hits our eyes and comes in here and shows us that he has something that can help our team and help the competitive level, we’re all in for that competition.”

    If Palmer has one intangible working against him, it is that he is 30, which is getting beyond the reach of “potential.” Clausen is 26. He arguably still has some, which is part of why the Bears signed him.

    Misunderstanding commitments to draft picks

    All of this gets to something that is frequently misunderstood where draft choices are concerned, and Clausen was a No. 2 pick of the Carolina Panthers and obviously held in high talent regard by Emery.

    Critics will argue that the reason a team stays with one player over another because of draft position (and the money that goes with that). In fact, the reason why a player is drafted is because of a perception of one player’s higher talent level.

    Meaning: The draft choice may be accorded more time to demonstrate that talent, and may get the nod in a position battle because of upside. It is rarely purely a money decision in the longer term; the reason the money was paid was based on the talent assessment, which led to the draft selection.

    Clausen was a second-round draft choice for a reason, and it was apparent that Emery was still seeing the reasons for that lofty draft status.

    “Jimmy made a lot of progress between his last year and his second to last year he was in college in terms of his overall accuracy, his deep ball,” said Emery, who called Clausen’s Bears workout “as good a quarterback workout that we’ve seen since I’ve been here.

    “I think he grew from a leadership perspective. I think his focus grew. He always showed me he could be creative and make some plays on his own. I don’t think mobility is his biggest asset but I definitely saw a player that knows how to get out of the way and get the ball off in time, and a mentally tough player that will take a hit to deliver the ball with accuracy and precision.”
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    "Tresty" gets a little chafed when a reporter tries to put words in him mouth and good for him for calling the guy out and correcting him. Hopefully some of these guys will begin to realize that if the continue to misquote him for the sake of getting a headline scoop that's inaccurate that he won't be speaking with them much after that. I'd have been righteously pissed too.

    This is one reason I love John Mullins columns. Not only is well respected enough to have the trust of player, coaches and management but he can also provide significant insights without glaring headlines that are major attention grabbers and we get one here.

    It looks like Clausen had a big fan in Phil Emery earlier this spring and when it became apparent they needed another vet in camp to compete with Palmer I believe Emery already had Jimmy's agents number on his speed dial. All he needed was an agreement from Trestman that bringing him in met with his approval too.

    Catch the SportsTalk Live video. Adam Jahn who I also respect and the others are saying that Clausen is much sharper with his throws and mechanics than Palmer has so far. Clausen may not know as much of the offense yet but that will change. Palmer's arm won't.

    So to say that Clausen has an edge right now based on their work so far during camp is probably accurate. The rest will have to be settled during the preseason games.
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    Although Clausen got on board a little late, he does have all of training camp and the last OTA's to learn the playbook. Another article pointed out that he was hooked up with Cutler when he first arrived during the last OTA to go through and learn the playbook. He may not have a 100% of it but I suspect he is in the upper 80% of it by now.
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    JABF99 was at camp today and posted a summary of what he saw in the Front Page New Forum. He said that Palmer's arm looked weak and that some of his throws weren't within 10 yards of a receiver.

    The weak arm could be that pec strain still hanging around and the throws may be caused by guys running the wrong routes or not making route adjustments but taken in total and purely at face value for whatever reason they clearly weren't content with what Palmer and Fales showed in the OTAs.
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    Thanks, just went and read the article from JABF
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