What happened to our playmakers on defense? Is this coaching or talent?

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What is wrong with this D?

  1. riczaj01

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    and standard tried and true formulations work well for standard problems, but again past and future results are not always linked when it comes to humans b/c of their ability to learn and adapt. Again I get where you are coming from but I think it's a horribly negative attitude to think that b/c someone failed in the past in a poor organization that they cannot succeed in a better one.

    I already gave 2 good examples, but again look at Payton in NO's, he wasn't great in Dallas...but then again who is? And I believe there is a reason that no NFL coach has ever won a SB w/2 different teams. If the past performance indicates future performance then a guy like Bill Parcell's should have won title's in NE and Dallas and w/the Jets, not just in NY. But for some reason that's just not how it works.

    again i'm not going to say Tucker is or isn't the answer, I'm still on the last year was a big fat n/a b/c of injuries, but I don't think anyone can paint his future b/c of his time in horrible losing org's like Jax and Clev, b/c there are to many examples of guys leaving those for better programs and succeeding, Tucker could be one of those guys, he could fail also, but no one has any idea on that yet.
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    I honestly didn't see the game, I was just looking through the stats and highlight reals; I know one of their qb's got speared right in the gut as he went to throw though...I actually hurt for a minute watching.
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    That's why I'm not worried about it. And it's why I have faith that Tucker wasn't an underlying issue last year b/c if he was he would have been fired also. I'm just in a wait and see mode.
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    We retooled/rebuilt the DEFENSE.

    We have seen 2 preseason games.

    Theres too much TALENT on this team at Defense.

    Even when we cut it down to 53.

    Theres no need to pull the plug on anybody just yet.

    Unless they incredibly under perform. Bye Weems.

    Two more games in pre season.

    Lets wait this out and see the results of pre season.

    Dont panic. CHICAGO BEARS ... currently ...2-0.

    However did watch the Chargers/Seahawks game.

    Dont get your hopes up unless we have a situation to cover Wilson,

    and the other Seattle QB's in case they want to take off and scamper,

    into the EZ.

    They all scored. But thats the Chargers defense. Not ours.

    We better have a LB/Secondary ghosting their QB's 24/7.

    They WILL run on us. And score. Unless we stop it.
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    This is football and to many independent variables. If nothing changed, same players, same scheme, etc then I would agree with your statement.

    Each player is basically an independent variable in this case when comparing the past to the future. The prediction equation would look nothing like the Jags did when Tucker was coaching. A. Lane acutally started for Tuckers defense in Jacksonville, and he probably will not even make this team. At the player level you could make some future predictions, but with an entirely different set of independent variables I do not seee how you can predict Tuckers success or failure.

    Back to A. Lane. If he would somehow start for the Bears then one could probably predict based on his past the end position would be weak. Thus the past can predict the future if and only if nothing has changed. I see lots of change between the Bears Roster and Jacksonville this year. With all the injuries last year you may be able to say the skill level was equivelent and thus predicted the bad season we endured.
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    Na Ric, I'm actually not at all negative... I'm actually trying to keep an open mind here. All I am saying is subjectively, trends tend to continue. I did not say he could not change (or anyone for that matter). I'm just saying that on average, they tend to stay the same more often than having substantial change.
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    Yeah but their roster changes aren't even close to all the changes we've made. Just look at our new defensive players.....J.Allen,L.Houston,W.Young,T.Scott,E.Ferguson,W.Sutton,R.Mundy,K.Fuller,B.Vereen,A.Wilson. I'm probably forgetting some guys but that's a whole lot of new guys on defense so it will take time for the defense to come together as a team.
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    I agree with you. It's not the same level at all. But they do have some change also, albeit at a lessor level.
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    Having so many independent variables tend to average themselves back out and negates that. And no, you can't preduct Tuckers success or failure. Not sure why things keep getting twisted. I said that the past is the best predictor or the future. Not necessarily extremely accurate... just the best we have. Everything is fluid. Everything can and will change. That does not mean the the past has not proven to be the best bet on predicting the future.
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    Just remember this about DITKA in pre season 1985 ...they went 0-4.
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    whawhawha(sound of charlie browns teacher) when I see a post of yours b/c of that avatar.
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    I think there are too many "new" parts to the defense to really get carried away with any preseason expectations.

    Ric made a good point to counter 99: Seattle has an experienced core, is likely asking veteran players to run more known tasks and is more focused on getting them a few series to acclimate into full game mode. I would not expect them to be testing the players as much as the Bears should be.

    If your putting a player like Shea into a new position, and you know his strength is in attacking holes in the line, are you going to be asking him to be one dimensional in the preseason? Perhaps you could learn more with plays that can be used to evaluate his coverage skills, or that he has not had as much experience in? See if he can set up the defense (and perhaps test the thresh hold while you're at it), etc. Try to determine if his spot on the rosters is as a specialist or someone who could have a future staying on the field.

    I don't know enough to know if there is a problem. What I've been able to catch so far has not been impressive. But preseason is the only chance in a game situation where I can see you catering a little to what is isn't working. As long as there is improvement overall, I'm fine with it.

    It is always better to kick ass and win, but if you learn something that will help you more when it counts that is better then a pat on the back right now.
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    A-11, the other thing is, that Shea cannot only be trotted out on blitz situations b/c then he's an easy tell for the O, while his strength is going to be attacking/blitzing he's also got to show he can stay back and cover at least a little. Otherwise he's got his own "hester package" that never works.

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