What if Lovie had hired Trestman in 2004?

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  1. Henry Burris

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    We can see from his coaching ability, 5 games in, he can get more out of an offense than any other coordinator, so what do you guys think would have happened had Lovie gone with him over Shea?
     
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    Personally, I'd imagine that if Rex continued to get injured, and Orton was the starter, the coaching staff would have been quicker to get "their own guy", which means Grossman would've had a significantly shorter leash. Of course I'm just guessing here, but I think we would've drafted another QB between 2005 (which might be a bit much, considering he didn't start his first year, and his second year was missed to injury) and 2007. I just don't see Trestman as being able to coach Grossman into a good player, and he'd probably want someone around that could save his job. So, I think the Bears probably would've ended up drafting Joe Flacco once Grossman had proven himself unable to play.
     
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    not sure Orton would have been as bad as he was here, he might have been a boarderline starter/tweener and they might have drafted someone just 2-3 years ago. Orton is smart enough, and takes care of the ball, so the idea of a quick striking WCO that requires low risk plays might well have been in his wheelhouse. I don't think we trade for Cutler though; maybe we do and don't have to give up quite as much.

    Regardless I still doubt Lovie allows JA to draft enough O to fix the problem and quite frankly I think all are fired by the new GM(Emery or otherwise).
     
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    Agree on not trading for Cutler, but about the offense, Lovie did allow Martz to pick his guys. I just think this whole team would've been significantly better, and with Orton at the helm, might have won in 2006. I just don't think he'd ever show enough to be the starter to a good coordinator.
     
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    Oh he'd not be the long term answer no, but I think he'd have showed enough for a WCO guy that had the right weapons to be the guy until they drafted one; I also think they probably draft Flacco or someone like that to replace him early in the draft b/c of Trestman. And ya he let Martz get his guys, but all in FA, how many Martz guys were drafted; LATE round picks like Lefevor/Enderle and Webb no even Trestman isn't going to get the right guys like that? Also I doubt we let go of Greg Olsen, and I think he would have showed better here.
     
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    2005 would have been a better year for Trestman to have arrived. Shea, for all his awful coordinating and his gigantic playbook, managed to ask for some decent FA talent in Thomas Jones, John Tait, and Rueben Brown. Plus we'd have had the #4 overall pick in the draft, and instead of that idiot Ron Turner requesting a North South runner in Benson , he might have thought to take Rodgers that year instead. Thus, the Grossman Orton Wars would never have been fought.
     
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    Nope no team in the 05 draft was going to take a qb in the top 5 b/c there was no qb that was viewed as worthy of the #5 overall pick in the 05 draft. Not to mention JA had just drafted a qb in the 1st 2 years earlier and didn't know what he had in him b/c of inj's. Chances are they still take a high ceiling rb at #4.
     
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    Nobody asked to take Benson. We got stuck with Benson because nobody wanted to trade for the pick, and he was the best offensive player available at that spot (who was rated to go that high). It obviously sucks that we didn't draft Rodgers, but a lot of teams missed on him. His stock plummeted from the #1 pick to the #24 pick. And realistically, if he was drafted by the Bears, coached by Turner and throwing to Moose and Bernard Berrien, be would have probably been on his third team by the time we traded for Culter and out of the league by now. Having good coaching with an actual system is huge for young quarterbacks. It also helped that he learned behind Favre (including learning what not to do).
     
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    It was strictly Angelo, and honestly the salaries rookies were making back then made it prohibitive to teams trading up, that NO ONE would deal with him. Plus, Angelo isn't going to get rid of his franchise QB after being injured all year, so even if he DID draft someone else, it would've been a DeMarcus Ware (he would've fit the system as a DE), or some garbage player. This whole Benson/TJ situation is one where Angelo deserves NO blame. He didn't want Benson, but had to get him, and TJ makes it an issue of pride that they'd take another RB, and add in that the guys(Urlacher and company) went out of their way to make things difficult for him, you had 2 pissed off runningbacks with great talent. THAT is strictly on Lovie Smith for not getting a better control on his locker room, if we're gonna blame anyone besides Thomas Jones.
     
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    TJ and Benson were both the issues in that, Benson got drafted and held out way to long, and it although it's his right, it made it even more difficult for him to come in on a good note. TJ did hiim no favors by not welcoming him in and had the lockerroom completley split against Benson from day 1. Lovie and his staff never got control of the situation, and JA had to give TJ the right to leave promising no FA tag to keep him.

    If those two would have gotten along, or at least has a healthy rivalry the team would have been better off for it.
     
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