What if Lovie had hired Trestman in 2004?

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    Typically, when you sign a new offensive coordinator or head coach, there is a bit of a "honeymoon" if you will. The GM makes promises to the coordinator that they will get the pieces they need. Emery probably told that to Kromer, and now Bushrod is a Bear. Stuff like that.

    Shea deliberately targeted Tait as a must have, because he needed two LT caliber players for his scheme to work. He also targeted Thomas Jones, saying he needed a versatile RB. Ruben Brown was just a Bobby DePaul pro personnel move that worked out in our favor, so maybe Shea doesn't get credit for bringing him in. And he did bring in Jon Quinn to be the backup that best knew his system, which meant he did not know how to judge QBs at all.

    How the heck is drafting Benson not Angelo's fault? He did it to make Ron Turner happy, but he could have easily told him "No, use TJ and our AP,". And why did he HAVE to draft him? We had plenty of needs at OL and WR.

    I don't blame Thomas Jones for being anything but awesome on this team, and sorely missed when traded. Benson was the wrong addition at the time, and it seemed he was determined to make life difficult for himself here. JA should have drafted a RB that knew how to share carries, like Cadillac.
     
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    You slightly misinterpreted what I said. Angelo did not want that spot. He wanted to draft later. However, he was stuck with the best prospect, and took him. Sure, we could've reached for Jamal Brown or Roddy White, but Jamal was the ONLY decent tackle, and Roddy White was the only decent WR to come out of that draft. Roddy White wasn't even the highest WR picked, so it's doubtful he would have gone for him, anyway. Now, I'm basically saying, on that front, that Angelo really didn't have a choice, and the players he was probably targeting were mid to late round picks. What I am absolutely absolving him from is TJ's crybaby fit over a 4th overall pick getting paid more than him. Lovie's locker room, as has been proven over and over since then, was not entirely a friendly one, and Benson said he "never felt at home there" (I'm paraphrasing). With both RB's being a headache, he was forced to get rid of Thomas Jones the following year. That's ALL on the players and coaching staff.
     
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    Benson was a nut case from day one. TJ was a class act. Nobody did anything to divide the locker room against Benson. Players saw Benson for what he was and had a low regard for him. Benson was an ass. He was a huge mistake. We ended up getting nothing for him. Fourth overall pick of the draft. Nothing.
     
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    That offense could've been beastly had TJ swallowed his damn pride and try to win Chicago another championship. God, we could've drafted a WR sooner.
     
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    that is 1000% untrue. It was widely reported that TJ split that locker room and did everything he could to make Benson miserable. Nothing TJ ever did was "class". He was a bigger douche then Benson was, which is why he forced himself out of the one team that actually wanted him when he got into FA.
     
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    Part of the reason he was available for cheap from Arizona was because he was a bit of a ****. I'm also a Jets fan, and TJ wasn't exactly a "class act" there, either. He threw Favre under the bus IN SEASON there. Honestly, "Lovies guys" come across more as punks, the more you hear about them.
     
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    TJ was a VERY poor mans Emmitt Smith, he got the great fortune of running behind stud OL's w/shitty QB's(minus Fav-rah, although he was hardly in HoF form in NYJ's), so the game was always centered around getting him the ball. He was a good RB, but chi fans highly over rate him. The lone bright spot in that fiasco is it led to the Bears getting Forte who's 10x's the RB either of them are.
     
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    Are you kidding me? Farve was hurting their team by continuing to play with an injured shoulder. He did not even share the same locker room with the rest of the Jets. TJ spoke out about Farve because he was hurting their team. The Jets took out a full page ad when he left to say good bye to the guy.

    I can see that you and Ric were fans of Benson. But both the Bears players after TJ was traded and the Jets players after he was cut before his last year publicly were very vocal about being unhappy he was leaving. The guy was a tough SOB, and when he was traded from the Bears one of the GMs in our division was so happy he told a reporter exactly that.

    There was no crying when Benson has left any of his former teams. It's because he was Ron Dayne 2.0, a product of his college offensive line.
     
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    Are you joking? Arizona sucked balls. We had a bunch of stiffs in 2004 on the line and at QB, and he still managed to get over 1300 total yards of offense that year. Benson, in 2007, couldn't even be bothered to learn the blocking scheme after being on the team for two years before his annual injury.

    The Jets had a good line, and TJ rewarded them with multiple 1000 yard seasons and was a starter in the Pro Bowl for the AFC one of those years. Look, both Benson and Jones were journeymen RBs, but TJ put up twice the numbers of Benson in his career.
     
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    Doesn't matter. You're trying to excuse bad behavior with bad behavior. That isn't a logical argument.

    It's good to see you missed the point, but carry on.

    So what? TJ was the one forcing Angelo's hand. He got the best deal he could out of him.

    There was no crying, because he didn't properly acclimate himself in with the holdout, and the team didn't try to offer an olive branch, either. Oh, and he had 3 pretty good seasons after he left Chicago. Remember his 37 rushes for 181 yards against the Bears?
     
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