Whether It's Been Said Or Not Webb's On The Hot Seat...........

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    Rookies' play clouds Webb's future


    By Brad Biggs Tribune reporter
    3:58 p.m. CDT, August 13, 2013

    BOURBONNAIS — Chicago Bears coach Marc Trestman would not commit Tuesday to rookies Kyle Long and Jordan Mills starting on the right side of the offensive line Thursday night against the San Diego Chargers at Soldier Field, but that is certainly possible.

    Long, the first-round pick from Oregon, and Mills, the fifth-round pick from Louisiana Tech, have been working with the first team since Sunday. They were running with the starters on Tuesday morning during the final practice of training camp at Olivet Nazarene University that is open to the public.

    In the switch, J’Marcus Webb was shifted from the starting right tackle to the No. 2 left tackle, a versatility he needs to have if he is going to be on the team, offensive coordinator Aaron Kromer said. That invited the question of whether Webb could be in jeopardy of losing his job all together.

    “He moved to the left side, and he had been working the right side, so it did take him a little time to adjust,” Kromer said. “But if he’s going to be on our team, if he makes our eight, then he’s going to have to play more than one spot, and this is a great opportunity for him to get those reps. You don’t want to have to do it on Wednesday of game week. You want to do it early in the season so he has a feel for what’s going on.

    “As we said all along, we’re going to continue to move the guys around up front and find the five guys who most jell together and most fit together. So this week we put Jordan Mills at right tackle and Kyle Long at right guard and we’re looking at that combination. So it’s giving an opportunity for other guys to move to other positions as well with the twos still getting reps, going up against different guys. I think it’s a good situation for everybody.”

    Quarterback Jay Cutler weighed in on Webb needing to keep his head up in the process.
    “I think a lot of us have said something to him,” Cutler said. “You don't want to see him fall off and not use his ability the way that we think he can use his ability. He's still in the running for this thing and we'd like to see him go out and rebound and play even better so we'll see how he reacts to it.”

    Cutler said he doesn’t have an issue playing behind rookies. Webb was a starting right tackle in 2010 when Cutler was the starter and Cutler was in Denver when the Broncos brought in Ryan Clady as their left tackle.

    “The two rookies we got right now, I think they're pretty far along,” Cutler said. “They're really talented guys physically. We'll get them caught up mentally. They want to be in there, they want to do a good job and that's the most important thing. If you've got a guy that wants to do it, we'll figure out a way.”
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    wasn't that obvious when he got slapped down to backup swing T from starting RT? Reality is they need someone that can play LT and RT, if they can find that guy on the roster(Scott maybe?) then Webb might well be gone, if they cannot Webb is, unfortunately, safe.
     
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    Just an update on what's already been posted and even though Trestman's disclosure was less than the media may have liked I think Cutler's comments are telling if you read between the lines. Especially what I highlighted in red which comes back to the point several of us have been making. Cutler might also have added "keep his head in the game" to "keep his head up" in the process. That's still Webb's biggest problem. It's not that he can't, it's that he doesn't.

    I have no doubt the plan was for Webb and Scott to battle for RT with the loser becoming the swing OT and upon further consideration as much as I hate to admit it at least one of them has to stick because we have no other backup at LT if both are cut. Talk about making lemonade when all you have is lemons to work with. :rolleyes: Sheesh!

    So now Scott is hurt and Webb, now lacking whatever veteran push Scott may have provided, is back to his old ways somewhat confident in the fact that as long as Scott remains injured his job is safe because there are no more LT's left to play behind Bushrod whose also hurt. Life's a bitch. :(
     
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    I wonder this with Webb: although he seems pretty ideally suited to sticking as a swing, I wonder how PREPARED he would be if called upon to fill in for an injured player. That's what a good swing tackle is--somebody who can jump into either role and give you decent play if your starter is out. Although he has the experience, do we really believe that with Webb???

    This is a guy who seems to care little about his STARTING role. How much is going to care about being ready to go at either tackle position while riding the bench and collecting his check? Makes you wonder if Webb as the swing T is really that good an idea at all.
     
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    Yeah, Soul, it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that one of the Webb/Scott duo has to stick as a backup LT. Reports I read say that Scott's knee is better post-drainage of his effusion and they hope to have him back next week. There's a glimmer of hope there.
     
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    Yep that's the way it's stacking up isn't it. We either get Tweedle Dumb or Tweedle Dumber or maybe both. :eek:

    Well at least Mills will get a week and maybe longer to show how far along he is with the blocking scheme and in pass protection. The kid is supposed to be strong as an ox but that does little good if he doesn't know who to block or how to block them. I believe sox is right and that Mills won't be the guy starting come the opener but one of the other two needs to show up ready to play some football and I'm never sure from one week to the next if Webb is.

    This is what you call a true dilemma. I'm fed up with Webb and I don't like Scott yet I have to root for one of the two???? Man it's like in Top Gun when the Flight Commander figured out that he had to send Maverick and Goose to the Top Gun School. :(
     
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    Maybe they should write a Double Cheeseburger Bonus into his contract or offer to sell his Webb Nation T-shirts in the store. Those seem to be the ONLY things he's ever fired up about. Scott has far less natural ability, no make that far, far, far less, but at least he'd probably prepare himself for whatever comes up. I mean ideally you'd want Webb starting, Scott as the swing guy and Mills as the 8th lineman so he gets to practice but won't suit unless there's an injury.

    Phil's plan is not working like Phil planned. LOL
     
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    Quick add on about Scott's status.

    [​IMG]Chicago Bears Report
    Scott on verge of return after knee drained
    August, 13, 2013
    Aug 13
    4:47
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    By Michael C. Wright and Jeff Dickerson | ESPNChicago.com

    BOURBONNAIS, Ill. -- Offensive tackle Jonathan Scott missed practice Tuesday to spend the day with team doctors, but the Chicago Bears received some positive news about his recovery.

    Sidelined with knee swelling for a good portion of training camp, Scott is expected to return in the coming days after medical personnel recently drained fluid from the veteran's sore knee and after an exploratory examination found no structural damage.

    "It looks like it's gotten better," Bears coach Marc Trestman said. "We should see some movement in the right direction in the next few days and the net week. He was actually with the doctors today. (Head athletic trainer) Chris (Hanks) came over to tell me that, said the results were very good. I didn't get specific with him, but he was positive about Jonathan getting back to us next week."

    Scott, a seven-year veteran, has experienced swelling in his knees in the past and missed some time last season, his first with the Bears.

    Scott's return will be welcomed considering the team is in the heat of a competition to find its starting right tackle. Incumbent J'Marcus Webb was moved to the second team, where he'll back up Jermon Bushrod at left tackle and rookie Jordan Mills was elevated to the first team on the right side.

    Eben Britton.

    Bears offensive coordinator Aaron Kromer said Scott's absence gave the team a chance to take long looks at younger players.

    "It's the next guy up, and it gives a young guy an opportunity to make the team," Kromer said.

    A seventh-year veteran, Scott started in 12 games for the Bears last season, and allowed only one sack. (yeah but you couldn't count the number of pressures he allowed with both hands and your shoes off)
     
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    How many more reps does Webb need at LT to be considered capable of playing there? He played practically every snap at LT for the past two years. What more does he need to learn about the position that he hasn't already?

    My highest hopes for Webb was that he might just put in a non-impressive "meh" year at RT and move on to be a healthy below average tackle for bad teams the rest of his career.. Now it's starting to sound like he wont make the team.

    Before the board update, my support has been for Scott to play RT for us. My biggest question about him was that knee of his. The GM has to compare that to Webb's ability to never get injured.

    We got two spots for three guys; Webb, Scott, and Britton. Both Britton and Scott are injury risks, but Britton looked pretty bad in that first preseason game. As much as I'd love to just tell Webb to get lost, he might be the best option we have at the swing tackle position. I am reluctant to enter the season with Scott and Britton as the RT /Swing tackle combo if Britton isn't playing better than Webb can.
     
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    Scott got brought in sometime in Septtember of 2012. We had him starting at RT for the last third of the season after the SF game. That was no walk in the park schedule, and from my recollection he gave up 14 pressures, which is a lot, but one sack and 6 QB hits. For a backup we just signed off the street at the beginning of the season, I'll take one sack and 6 hits.

    To me, his weakness is health related. The question is if you can rely on him to be able to hold up over the season. The trainers can say his knee is so healthy after getting fluid drained from it all day. That just means he's more likely to have to sit out sometime during the season, and then we get to watch a rusty Webb play RT.
     
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