Why I am leary of Donald.

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  1. BSBEARS

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    Hopefully you are not 300 pounds though. LOL. To bad you and I would both probably need Madden to do it anymore..
     
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    Watching the tape you can see times where the OG knows he needs to be lightning quick off the ball due to Donald's quickness that Donald will mix it up & instead off firing off the ball he waits a split second, takes a step to one side & the OG falls right on his face, enabling Donald to run through the hole unblocked & blow up the play behind the LOS.
     
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    I believe this has already been covered but just to satisfy myself I'll ask the question "Just how may DLineman did you find who rated at the top of the heap two years running"? Most of these guys rise or fall in their Sr. year (if they even play in their Sr. year) and many of them continue to rise and fall after the Sr. Bowl and after the Combine and after their pro days all the way up to draft day. Some of it is based on them and some of it is based on the needs of the teams drafting and in what position. Surely you've been following this stuff long enough to realize that.

    Look at the very top of the draft rankings. The QBs are trading places like musical chairs. I've heard Bridgewater, Manziel and Bortles all named as top 5 picks somewhere and I never even heard to Blake Bortles until the last few months. Talk about a kid who came out of nowhere. And there are those who think Manziel may be the biggest bust in the this years QB pool. No one knows exactly where these kids will be two years from now but yeah, you can probably project his as being one of the top 5 3 tech DTs within two years. Watch his game films. He's not exactly playing those games against East Bumfuck State. Pitt plays a relatively tough schedule and game after game he's blowing past blocker and making plays.

    I said it before and I'll repeat it. I haven't seen a guy so consistently defeat blocking designed to stop him since John Randle was playing and he was the same size as Donald. Size is not the most important attribute for a 3 tech DT. It's quickness and tenacity and this kid has loads of both to go along with some of the best variety of pass rush and penetration moves I've ever seen from a college player. He's the real deal BSB and if he's on the board at #14 and we don't take him I'll bet he never gets past Dallas at #16. Emery's greatest concern if he's at the top of his board is worrying about whether or not another team will leap frog him for the guy. Somebody is gonna take that kid early. There's no doubt in my mind about that.
     
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    im sorry guys, but we need to stop this shit, saw more of a few of his tapes, read a few notes, this kid is good, real good, we need to draft him.

    and this is coming from a guy who was all for Long last year, a few of my colleagues around here can confirm it.
    but also, I thougt Shea would be better in his 2nd year, so... shit, now im confused
     
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    No, I haven't reached 300lbs yet and at shy of 6' I'd better not either. LOL I've said before that if Emery has other designs on that #14 pick or if Donald is scooped up ahead of us that I'd probably like Quarles more as a 3 tech than Tim Jernigan but I still wouldn't put him ahead of Donald. One is good and the other is ridiculous as far as being a playmaker and by listening to Emery I kinda get that athletic play makers are the guys he goes after ala McClellin.

    Initially I had my concerns about Donald being another McClellin but that's when they had him listed at barely 6' and 270lbs. Two things have changed my mind. His Combine stats which were amazing and his measurables which had him at 6' 7/8" and 288lbs, and his performance during Sr. Bowl week where he was up against the best OL in the country and even they couldn't contain him. That kind of shoots down any concerns about whether his best came only against inferior college competition. Word is he chewed the Sr. Bowl bunch up for lunch and spit them out at dinner.

    What this is all coming down to is who should be at the top of the Bears board at the four defensive positions where they now have the greatest need. That could change over the next 6 weeks so all we can go on until then is what we know now. So whose the number one and two prospects for them at; DT, FS, LB, and CB. I think that's what we're all debating here. That and which is the most important position of those four now.
     
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    No one but the "Angler" will ever know.
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    I found some footage of Donald in last year's Pitt/FSU game. FSU doubled Donald the entire game. He was not very effective. He was fast and strong enough to push the pocket back. But I didn't see him split/beat the double team. The few times he faced single blocks his speed was overwhelming.

    I still like Donald but he will have to play in an NFL scheme that gets him one on one blocking. Or he has to play on a line with enough talent that other players will dominate if Donald is consistently double teamed.
     
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    Yeah 4Da, I'm beginning to wonder if he will be there @ 14. Donald obviously has great quickness, but I think he's a lot stronger than people seem to think. Being 6'1" gives him good leverage which makes him even more powerful. I think he'd be a great pick for us @ 14. If this draft wasn't so deep he would be a top 10 pick for sure, maybe top 5.
     
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    Soul, I wonder what Emery would do if he was there @ 14 & someone in the late teens, early 20's offered us a pretty good trade down. Two-three weeks ago I definitely would think hard about the trade down, but now I'm not so sure. This is going to be a very interesting draft, plus FA is far from over.
     
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    Nix projects almost exclusively as a 2-gap, 3-4 NT not a 1-gap, 4-3 3-tech. And he's had a recent knee surgery to go with a weight that was as high as 350lbs not too long ago. Risk there....

    Hageman is a physical freak with "potential" no doubt but didn't put up the production to match in college. He also projects as a 4-3 NT or 3-4 DE, not as a gap-shooting 4-3 DT.

    Jernigan is the closest match IMHO. But even he is a more of a hybrid 4-3 NT/DT in the mold of Ratliff, not a pure 3-tech.

    I'm not saying any of these other "DTs" are necessarily WRONG for us just that they aren't perfect fits as a Melton-replacement. When you talk about the latter, Donald appears to be the definite head of the class. I've already explained why he remained a bit of a "sleeper" until as recently as the Senior Bowl & Combine.
     
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