Wow, the Dolphins locker room is a pressure keg...

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  1. Henry Burris

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    Report: Martin’s not the only Dolphin feeling pressured
    Posted by Darin Gantt on November 3, 2013, 12:30 PM EST
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    The Dolphins have a mess on their hands with the Jonathan Martin situation.

    And that may not be the only thing they need to clean up before things return to normal.

    Adam Beasley of the Miami Herald said there have been multiple issues, that if not exactly like the reported bullying and/or harrassment of Martin, are creating problems in the locker room.

    He describes a culture of older players forcing younger teammates to pick up the tab, with one player being handed a bill for a $30,000 team dinner. “The veterans are using the younger players as an ATM, I’m told,” he reported.

    He then retweeted a message from defensive tackle Jared Odrick which had a picture of a large dinner, with the message: “Everything tastes better when rookies pay for it.”

    That dovetails with reports that Martin was somehow coerced into paying $15,000 toward a trip to Las Vegas that he didn’t attend.

    To some degree, this kind of behavior is normal. Rookies have been buying doughnuts on Saturday mornings or lunch on Fridays or an end-of-year dinner for their position groups as long as there have been teams and rookies.

    But if some players are getting carried away with the South Beach lifestyle, as Beasley suggests, then it’s clearly an issue the Dolphins need to address.


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    One young defensive player, whose privacy I'm protecting, has literally gone broke because he's been pressured to pay for older players.
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    So you're basically alienating all of your rookies from the get go, causing one of them to go financially broke, and another to have a nervous breakdown of sorts. That's not a system that's going to work for very long, I'd imagine, especially with the NFLPA considering (but ultimately declining) to investigate their offensive line. Sounds like Philbin and Schiano are the most flawed head coaches, and creators of the worst locker rooms in a very long time.
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    I saw this as I was getting home..... thats messed up... it gets even worse than just treating them like an ATM....

    Incognito served as 'ring leader' in Jonathan Martin harassment

    Dolphins tackle Jonathan Martin remains away from the team following an incident at the facility last week in which other members of the offensive line verbally harassed him, something that has been ongoing throughout his season-and-a-half there according to sources with knowledge of the situation. Dolphins guard Richie Incognito, according to sources, was “the ring-leader,” of the ongoing bullying, acting particularly “menacing” toward Martin, while center Mike Pouncey was also involved.

    Incognito is strongly denying any role in the matter on social media. The NFLPA, while not investigating the issue as it is not in a position to discipline its members for locker room activities, is monitoring it and Executive Director DeMaurice Smith has spoken to Incognito, sources said, as well as representatives for Martin.

    Martin has no plans to return to the team at this point, sources said, focused on getting himself well and waiting to see if the Dolphins take action in this manner. They have not adjusted his status or done anything to dock his pay to this point, nor has the team taken any action to ensure a safer and normal workplace environment for him, should he return. Until the Dolphins take action, Martin’s position is unlikely to change. It is likely that the team will place Martin on the non-football-injury list Tuesday.

    Last week’s flare-up between Martin and his teammates, “was not an isolated incident -- not even close,” one source said. “It’s been going on almost since they drafted him.” Other players on the team said it was fairly widely known within the team that the offensive linemen were hard on Martin, a second-round pick in 2012, and Martin has expressed his displeasure with the situation in the past. Last week, several Dolphins players denied there was any history of verbal abuse or bullying of Martin.

    Incognito has had to be reprimanded in the past for his actions toward team employees, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. It is not uncommon for him to intentionally walk into people and make others feel uncomfortable, and to make threatening remarks to Martin, sources said. “It’s hard to picture a 6-foot-5 350-lb football player as being the victim of bullying, but that’s exactly what took place here,” the source said. “He is genuinely scared of what Incognito might do to him, or has threatened to do to him.”

    The Dolphins released the following statement regarding the situation:

    "The Miami Dolphins, including Coach Joe Philbin and Jonathan's teammates, have been in communication with Jonathan and his family since his departure from the club and continue to be in contact," the Dolphins said in a statement released Sunday. "Our primary concern for Jonathan is his overall health and well-being. As an organization, we take any accusations of player misconduct seriously.

    "The notion of bullying is based on speculation and has not been presented to us as a concern from Jonathan or anyone else internally. The reports that the NFLPA is investigating our players are inaccurate. Additionally, the NFL offered its assistance during this time, which we appreciated and gladly accepted."

    "We will continue to make Jonathan's health and well-being a focus as we do with all of our players."

    Rookie hazing is a rite of passage in the NFL, but this has continued well into Martin’s second season in the NFL and was personal and different from what the rest of the team’s 2012 rookie class might have gone through, sources said. The Dolphins' team management has been made aware of the timeline of events as well.

    Martin was inactive for Thursday night’s win over the Bengals -- he was not at the stadium -- and at this point he remains on the 53-man roster. Martin began the season as the team’s starting left tackle and recently shifted back to the right side.

    The Dolphins are not commenting on any specifics of Martin’s situation and the NFLPA released a statement Saturday saying they are not investigating Incognito or any other Dolphin player.
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    Nor will they, if they are smart at all, do anything remotely similar to that, or even anything at all to him. Once they do, the "punishing the victim" brigade will kick in.... rightfully.... and things will get even worse for the organization.

    The way it's going, the 'fins could somehow win the SB... and those coaches are on the way out.
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    I remember the reason Icognito fell to the 4th round was because of some "character flaws", and it's always followed him in the NFL, so if this is true, then basically this guy is a bit antisocial
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    Correction: The NFL is investigating him now, the NFLPA isn't.

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    Richie Incognito was advised by Joe Philbin tonight he has been indefinitely suspended by team while NFL investigates, Incognito tells me.

    Add Incognito to the list of players that, despite talent, you do NOT want on your team.
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    The hits keep coming

    Dolphins harassment case: Text from Incognito to Martin used racial slur
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    Among the texts that Jonathan Martinmade available to his parents, and then, eventually the Dolphins and the NFL, include those in which Richie Incognitorefers to Martin, who is biracial, as a "half-n*****," according to a source who was privy to the communication.



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    There are several instances of threats as well, the sources said, and overall disturbing exchanges, including one in which Incognito refers to defecating in Martin's mouth.

    Incognito also made reference to tracking down members of Martin's family and harming them in the texts as well, according to a source.

    In some instances, that kind of rhetoric might be shaken off or ignored, but, given the track record of incidents between Incognito and Martin, and how sustained it had become, Martin truly felt that Incognito might be capable of inflicting harm, and for his safety getting away from the team was in his best interests.

    The NFL, apprised of the evidence, began upper-level meetings on the case this morning as it launches its investigation. People with access to some of the exchanges believe in time this situation could become a springboard for further policies and practices at the league-wide level in regards to hazing, verbal harassment and perhaps also stricter codes in terms of financial harassment and actions whereby rookies are required by veterans to pick up excessive tabs and bills as a rite of passage.
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    Richie Icognito: The NFL's first chance to show off their part in the "anti-bullying" campaign. Makes me wonder how much leeway they'll have in suspension time. For this type of ****, I'd ban him, honestly. People could put up with the Terrell Owens' of the world, to a degree, but this is beyond any of that prima dona stuff.
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    but its not beyond PacMan Jones type stuff so don't expect too much. He'll get another NFL job again. Its not like he'll serve jail time for this crap.
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    Report: Incognito ‘Done’ With Dolphins


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    Dolphins lineman Richie Incognito has reportedly played his last down for the Dolphins.

    “He’s done,” a ranking club source told the Miami Herald. “There are procedures in place and everyone wants to be fair. The NFL is involved. But from a club perspective he’ll never play another game here.”

    Incognito is currently suspended indefinitely as reports continue to swirl that he bullied teammate Jonathan Martin so severely that Martin ultimately took a leave of absence from the team.

    Incognito reportedly left threatening and racists voicemails for Martin in April.

    Both the team and the NFL have heard the voicemail.

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/11/04/report-incognito-done-with-dolphins/
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    Yeah...no. Those voicemails are the end of his career.
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    LOL bullshit. all they prove is the majority of players are foul mouthed dumb asses. if he's doing it theres plenty of racial bigot jokes going back and forth with a lot of players of both races.
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    Wow, you are so off the mark here, I don't know where to begin. I'll try, though. Harassing someone using racial slurs does NOT say "they were doing it in fun", that of course, goes on between friends, but Incognito was threatening this guy's family, and well being. You should really read more, before commenting on this again.
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    Ive read it all of course. My evaluation is correct. He isn't going to jail for any of it. He'll get bullshit sensitivity training and be a player again.

    that Eagles receiver Cooper is still playing. They were idle threats and everyone knows it. He wasn't going to do anything to Martin or his family.

    LOL i'm not condoning stupid behavior but this is pathetic for a full blown news story in the great scheme of life. Martin should have just ignored him in the first place. Both guys are dumb on various levels
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    "Blame the victim"
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    But he is one of the only ones dumb enough to have it actually be documented. Sure, there are plenty of bigots in the NFL... but none dumb enough to let it be publicly known like this.
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    And how is Martin being dumb?

    Making threats to his family is not illegal? Tell you what. Make death threats to someone and see how quickly cops get called on you.
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    you have to prove intent for any amount of severity. Everyone knows he wasn't going to kill anyone.
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    LOL
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    A threat is still a threat. Every threat that is made should be taken seriously. Serious or not, you cannot go around threatening to kill someone's family and expect nothing to happen.
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